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outlawal2

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Nothing wrong with Leatherneck communication, stop overreacting.

 

I wasn't complaining about the communication, I was commenting on everyone else whining about the fact that the plane is not ready yesterday.

 

Leatherneck does an awesome job of communicating as does VEAO..

Please read all of the comments not just the latest one and you will understand the context..

"Pride is a poor substitute for intelligence."

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Tirak

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Well yeah because hearing absolutely NOTHING for months on end is a much better solution..

 

Personally, I appreciate the communications from the devs so how about we give them a break and let them work on the modules and not bust their balls every time something doesn't go exactly as planned? I challenge any one of you to give an estimated timeline for ANYTHING over a span of a year or more and have it work out as anticipated, let alone projects of the kind of magnitude the devs have on their plates.

 

Folks sound like a bunch of 4 year olds around here..

 

Um, I think you'll find that in most industries, when you give an estimate, you damn well better deliver on time or you won't be doing business with whoever you just screwed by going off schedule for very long. I work in machining, and when we give a time estimate, we stick to it come hell or high water, and yes, for projects lasting out for a very long time.

 

Let me be clear on this, I'm not phased by the endless delays and re estimations because I haven't paid anything for it, but don't try to sell me on "nobody keeps deadlines", because that is completely false.

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MA_Seyo

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Any communication is better than no communication, even if LN can be time optimists (if that's an English word.) Since they have not given us any hard deadlines but merely estimates I don't mind cutting them some slack.

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But this is software development. It's like solving puzzles. Very difficult to compare. Plus DCS world is as mentioned ever changing.

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outlawal2

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Um, I think you'll find that in most industries, when you give an estimate, you damn well better deliver on time or you won't be doing business with whoever you just screwed by going off schedule for very long. I work in machining, and when we give a time estimate, we stick to it come hell or high water, and yes, for projects lasting out for a very long time.

 

Let me be clear on this, I'm not phased by the endless delays and re estimations because I haven't paid anything for it, but don't try to sell me on "nobody keeps deadlines", because that is completely false.

 

And you have no idea what you are talklng about regarding software and software projects..

Besides my friend NOBODY gave a deadline they provided an estimate simply because folks like you absolutely have to have a date to look at whether anyone could possibly know what a reasonable date could be....

DEADLINES and ESTIMATES are not interchangeable terms.

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And you have no idea what you are talklng about regarding software and software projects..

Besides my friend NOBODY gave a deadline they provided an estimate simply because folks like you absolutely have to have a date to look at whether anyone could possibly know what a reasonable date could be....

DEADLINES and ESTIMATES are not interchangeable terms.

 

Mate, I know about business, I know about integrated deadlines, and I know that if a shop shoots by it, they ain't gonna be in business long. Software development isn't some magic land of exceptions, there's a reason why crunch time is crunch time.

 

I'd like to remind you though, you're in the LN section of the forums. Here we have a much more relaxed way of looking at things, and while there is certainly some grumbling about the deadlines for announcements, of which we are now six months past, and some good natured teasing on all sides, we are not infected with the rampant "Fanbois vs Detractors" mentality that exists in certain other sections of the forums, so please kindly take your confrontational attitude elsewhere, or calm down and enjoy the atmosphere.

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outlawal2

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Mate, I know about business, I know about integrated deadlines, and I know that if a shop shoots by it, they ain't gonna be in business long. Software development isn't some magic land of exceptions, there's a reason why crunch time is crunch time.

 

I'd like to remind you though, you're in the LN section of the forums. Here we have a much more relaxed way of looking at things, and while there is certainly some grumbling about the deadlines for announcements, of which we are now six months past, and some good natured teasing on all sides, we are not infected with the rampant "Fanbois vs Detractors" mentality that exists in certain other sections of the forums, so please kindly take your confrontational attitude elsewhere, or calm down and enjoy the atmosphere.

 

 

Hmmmm my confrontational attitude..

LOL whatever you say..

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And you have no idea what you are talklng about regarding software and software projects..

Besides my friend NOBODY gave a deadline they provided an estimate simply because folks like you absolutely have to have a date to look at whether anyone could possibly know what a reasonable date could be....

DEADLINES and ESTIMATES are not interchangeable terms.

 

Chill out bro :huh:

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outlawal2

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Alright that is the 2nd individual that took my statement too strong so apparently my caps on those three words came across much harsher than I intended.. Sorry guys I really wasn't being harsh or confrontational but if multiple folks see it that way then I apologize for that..

 

All I was trying to say is that with software especially, there is a big difference between deadlines and estimations..

 

That is all... I just think folks get too worked up when an estimation comes and goes and then the pitch forks come out...

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HeadHunter52

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Yes, I want modules yesterday. Who doesn't?

 

But I understand that building complex virtual machines is way different from filling a machining contract. The devs have to not just build the planes, they often have to build the tools themselves, certain mod them, and go far beyond "let's do this like the last one".... they have to design the planes in a virtual world with the added difficulty to mimicking the real thing.

 

It's a helluva job. I won't bitch.

 

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It's not supposed to be an accurate timeline. We are, and have been, very clear that it is an estimate based on the situation at a particular time.

 

100%

 

That's why I said what I said.. There can be no accurate date, until the product is fully complete. I think my prediction is realistic, so long as DCS 3.0 doesn't come out before then :smilewink:

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Leathernecks F-14 will take less time than it took Grumman to produce the prototype...Soooooo

 

We got that going for us.

 

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Leathernecks F-14 will take less time than it took Grumman to produce the prototype...Soooooo

 

We got that going for us.

 

;)

 

The navy issued a request for proposals in july 1968 and the tomcat first flew in december 1970. Less than 2.5 years is pretty quick. (i know they were doing studies and stuff before the request was made ^^)

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BadHabit

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Having to make modules for an unstable and continuesly changing platform rises the delays also

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You guys should stop wanting new stuff, then the instabilities and continually changing platform could stabilize ;)

True then my Mig would be fixed %5Bemoji16%5D

You guys should stop wanting new stuff, then the instabilities and continually changing platform could stabilize ;)

True then mymi

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I know in 1.5.4 the Mig will be closer to the final product somehow. In LN we trust!

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KesMonkey

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It is a final product. Receiving updates doesnt make it unfinished. Look at your phone OS receiving updates every couple of months.

 

Of course it does. That's precisely what it means. If it was finished, there wouldn't be any more updates. :)

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Of course it does. That's precisely what it means. If it was finished, there wouldn't be any more updates. :)

 

 

So there is virtually no finished software in the world ? And of course no DCS module that is finished.

 

The Black Shark got an update 2 days ago. As far as I know it's the oldest module in DCS.

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