DCS: F-5E!

[pepin1234]

IF the manual is the delay, then will be a good idea make the full manual pay ware. A quick manual will be ok for every module in the final price. They can make manuals to sale apart. I just think about the Ka-50 and A-10C manuals they have more than 300 pages. Wow! Some people even don't look at the manual. Just come and keep asking in forums and watching videos.

 

Please ED set lower the final price and sale the manuals apart!

Edited May 17, 2016 by pepin1234

[ivo]

IF the manual is the delay, then will be a good idea make the full manual pay ware. A quick manual will be ok for every module in the final price. They can make manuals to sale apart. I just think about the Ka-50 and A-10C manuals they have more than 300 pages. Wow! Some people even don't look at the manual. Just come and keep asking in forums.

 

Please ED set lower the final price and sale the manuals apart!

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[Kelevra9987]

IF the manual is the delay, then will be a good idea make the full manual pay ware. A quick manual will be ok for every module in the final price. They can make manuals to sale apart. I just think about the Ka-50 and A-10C manuals they have more than 300 pages. Wow! Some people even don't look at the manual. Just come and keep asking in forums and watching videos.

 

Please ED set lower the final price and sale the manuals apart!

 

I can only support this.

 

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[schroedi]

100% against that. Imagine buying a new TV and you have to pay extra for the manual.

[Schmidtfire]

And it will not be easy to copy protect if that were to happen... Come on :) We're paying a lot for each module, remember there are entire games that are cheaper than one fixed wing aircraft/heli in DCS! A simulator with a stand alone DLC manual? I rather see a more complete package.

[kolga]

If they did that there would be 10 new threads every day like:

"hey how do i do this?"

"read the manual"

"Where is it, i don't have one!!"

"you have to buy it"

"are you kidding! I spent $40 on something and they want me to pay more just to use it! I'm not buying anything else from them!"

[Deathbane]

For the price of a fully released dcs module i expect..

 

- Complex aircraft modelling with AFM/PFM, not SFM.

- Ingame Tutorial Missions

- Instant Action Missions

- A basic but functional campaign that shows off the aircraft

- A thorough, complete manual that draws on the original RL one as far as is as possible taking into account simulation limitations.

 

Using 'its a beta' has become by word for releasing half baked products. And that doesnt hold when Beta status is removed.. Im glad Belsimtek have learnt from past difficulties and have adjusted their roadmaps accordingly.

 

Looking forward to the F5e.

[Pipe]

Amen! brother

 

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[Azazel]

For the price of a fully released dcs module i expect..

 

- Complex aircraft modelling with AFM/PFM, not SFM.

- Ingame Tutorial Missions

- Instant Action Missions

- A basic but functional campaign that shows off the aircraft

- A thorough, complete manual that draws on the original RL one as far as is as possible taking into account simulation limitations.

 

Using 'its a beta' has become by word for releasing half baked products. And that doesnt hold when Beta status is removed.. Im glad Belsimtek have learnt from past difficulties and have adjusted their roadmaps accordingly.

 

Looking forward to the F5e.

 

I agree for the most part. I like being part of the beta process but for the final release I want all the things you have listed. Not a big campaign person myself so I can live w/o it but certainly having a detailed complete manual is a must for the final release of the product. F-5 this weekend perhaps?

[xaoslaad]

To me the manual is important for final release but not beta. That said betas have dragged on for excessively long at times for the sake of things like the manual. There's probably a decent middle ground....

[Raven68]

Yes if the list as advertised is for full release then by all means have it delivered as such. I really don't mind the process "beta" also. One thing to bear in mind as long as we continue this adventure of DCS, all modules will continue to be improved to some degree after release even with the literature/manuals. So bring on the F-5E this weekend and continue improve! :D

[pepin1234]

100% against that. Imagine buying a new TV and you have to pay extra for the manual.

 

Did you read the part about a quick manual?

 

You can't compare a TV manual of 15-30 pages with a huge manual of 300 pages plenty of tech info. I know people that play in DCS and they even don't look manuals. Then is the question about translation this manual. Is a huge amount of work to have this part of the price work in every module.

 

ED can make a PDF inbuild in the DCS World software and control the license of the manuals. 3Th parties can make betters manuals with specials pictures and graphics as well. And this is money.

 

The whole community don't need pay for a manual of 300 pages In final price, when you better can pay lower for only a quick manual in final release. then you can buy the full manual if you want use it by yourself the whole manual and probably from the 3th party you want.

Edited May 18, 2016 by pepin1234

[Darkbrotherhood7]

For the price of a fully released dcs module i expect..

 

- Complex aircraft modelling with AFM/PFM, not SFM.

- Ingame Tutorial Missions

- Instant Action Missions

- A basic but functional campaign that shows off the aircraft

- A thorough, complete manual that draws on the original RL one as far as is as possible taking into account simulation limitations.

 

Using 'its a beta' has become by word for releasing half baked products. And that doesnt hold when Beta status is removed.. Im glad Belsimtek have learnt from past difficulties and have adjusted their roadmaps accordingly.

 

Looking forward to the F5e.

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[Kev2go]

agree full manual is a must included within the paid price.

 

 

if beta comes without manual, say just quick start fine, but for the price your pay a manual should be included with the final product once it goes out of beta.

 

besides F5 is nowhere near as complex as an A10C ,and ED sold manual with thier product.

 

 

so it would really be a cash grab to sell manual separate for extra price.

[kolga]

Did you read the part about a quick manual?

 

You can't compare a TV manual of 15-30 pages with a huge manual of 300 pages plenty of tech info. I know people that play in DCS and they even don't look manuals. Then is the question about translation this manual. Is a huge amount of work to have this part of the price work in every module.

 

ED can make a PDF inbuild in the DCS World software and control the license of the manuals. 3Th parties can make betters manuals with specials pictures and graphics as well. And this is money.

 

The whole community don't need pay for a manual of 300 pages In final price, when you better can pay lower for only a quick manual in final release. then you can buy the full manual if you want use it by yourself the whole manual and probably from the 3th party you want.

 

I believe they already take the price of developing the manual into account.

[some1]

Guys, chill, it will be released when the devs say so, we'll get there eventually. Selling manual as a DLC, lol, that would be a new low. But I guess those who like the idea are those who don't need it, and usually will get bored first and move to another module in 1-2 weeks after release.

 

Some of you really act like a 7 year olds in the toy shop: "Mommy, I want that toy and I want it NOW!!!".

[shagrat]

For the price of a fully released dcs module i expect..

 

- Complex aircraft modelling with AFM/PFM, not SFM.

- Ingame Tutorial Missions

- Instant Action Missions

- A basic but functional campaign that shows off the aircraft

- A thorough, complete manual that draws on the original RL one as far as is as possible taking into account simulation limitations.

 

Using 'its a beta' has become by word for releasing half baked products. And that doesnt hold when Beta status is removed.. Im glad Belsimtek have learnt from past difficulties and have adjusted their roadmaps accordingly.

 

Looking forward to the F5e.

Hmm, for a complete high fidelity module on DCS level, pretty close to a 6-digit worth real life simulator or better, I would expect a price of $140 to $200...

[hughlb]

Hmm, for a complete high fidelity module on DCS level, pretty close to a 6-digit worth real life simulator or better, I would expect a price of $140 to $200...

 

Me too. The price ($50-$60) is extremely fair considering the investment in time and resources. Each module is a package item, which with the addition of a free map (or paid), becomes its own simulation. A very accurate simulation, with fully reslised system and dynamics accuracy. That price keeps it in the range of what people find acceptable to spend on entertainment software, whearas its true value would be in the hundreds.

[some1]

Hmm, for a complete high fidelity module on DCS level, pretty close to a 6-digit worth real life simulator or better, I would expect a price of $140 to $200...

 

If the price is below your expectations, you can always buy two or three copies. :music_whistling:

[shagrat]

If the price is below your expectations, you can always buy two or three copies. :music_whistling:

Oh, actually I did for some, to support the development. Gave them to a buddy as birthday or Christmas presents. Mostly stuff he wouldn't have purchased himself. ;)

[TomCatMucDe]

In principle why not not be forced to pay for the manual if you don't want it, after all it was the same for paper copies.

However, I don't see a way to prevent people from illegally downloading very easily copies of those manuals.

It's technically not feasible.

[pepin1234]

Honestly if the F-5E take longer by my side is not a problem. The quality of BST products are appreciated.

 

The price, fair or not, have nothing to do with the idea I wrote before. Actually I think the price is really fair. Anyway I don't want comment more about because some people misunderstand my point.

[KEULE]

Hmm, for a complete high fidelity module on DCS level, pretty close to a 6-digit worth real life simulator or better, I would expect a price of $140 to $200...

 

Interresting to see what people think things are "worth". But what is worth? On the consumer side: Worth (in terms of price tag) means a value someone is willing to pay. On the seller side: It's the value someone is willing to receive in exchange of something.

 

For sure developers won't get below their break-even for an expected quantity of sold products. Profit is already within the price. And you can tell by the growing number of developers as well as DLC's that even USD 50 or 60 are enought to be happy. Profit doesnt come with low selling numbers but with quantity and the economies of scale are peerless with software.

 

I wonder if there are any public numbers in terms of customer base and how often a module is sold in the average.

Edited May 18, 2016 by KEULE

[TomCatMucDe]

100% against that. Imagine buying a new TV and you have to pay extra for the manual.

 

The extra paying is what annoys you 100%? How about that, you want the manual you pay the normal price, those who dont want it get a discount.

 

My friend, when you buy something nothing is for free inside it, not the manual of your TV, not the box, not the plastic bag insides it, its storage in a warehouse, transport... Your TV manufacturer makes you pay for a manual that you probably wont open, i didnt open the manual of mine, damn it, it's a TV. You probably feel privileged getting it for free but in fact they made you buy it.

 

Now, I love to read DCS manuals, I would pay for them.

 

The blocking point for me is that its impossible to prevent hacking it or distributing it illegally for free. Even encrypting it wont be secure enough, nothing can stop screenshots, or printing and rescanning... I suppose they wouldnt want to disable printing.

[KesMonkey]

100% against that. Imagine buying a new TV and you have to pay extra for the manual.

 

But, you are paying for the manual. The cost of the manual is factored in to the price you pay. Wouldn't it be great if you had the option to not take the manual, and pay less?