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Will be great to can set more than one US carrier per mission.

Actually the United States Third Fleet has:

USS Nimitz (CVN-68 )

USS Carl Vinson (CVN-70)

USS Abraham Lincoln (CVN-72)

USS John C. Stennis (CVN-74)

USS Ronald Reagan (CVN-76)

 

And if Kanchatka-Aleutians is choosen, will be awesome too to have chinesse navy ships available

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I think they are already working on that map and not waiting for hints from us. But yes, that is a cold oceanic part that I'd like to see in DCS too :) .

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I would personally like to see the Persian Gulf/Strait of Hormuz/Gulf of Oman/Arabian Sea/Indian Ocean. This is where the majority of the Tomcat's career was spent when deployed. It simply makes sense to make a map in this general area.

 

I also second the notion for a map set in the North Pacific, particularly near Soviet territory (Sea of Japan, Kuril Islands, Sea of Okhotsk). The North Atlantic is seen as the Tomcat's main theater, but the North Pacific was just as vital, maybe even more so.

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I would personally like to see the Persian Gulf/Strait of Hormuz/Gulf of Oman/Arabian Sea/Indian Ocean. This is where the majority of the Tomcat's career was spent when deployed. It simply makes sense to make a map in this general area.

 

They mentioned in the update that they are planning an F-14 campaign/"significant after market content" specifically for the Strait of Hormuz map. The Strait of Hormuz map offers excellent possible scenarios for both the F-14A and F-14B.

 

For the F-14A, there was an actual campaign in 1988 by USS Enterprise and CVW-11 (VF-114/VF-213) that involved strikes against Iranian surface vessels and escorting threatened Kuwaiti Oil Tankers as they passed through the strait.

 

It started as operation "Earnest Will", USN surfaces forces and battle groups. Before the operation formally started, the USS Stark was struck by an Exocet launched by a Iraqi Mirage F1 (more AvioDev synergism!).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Earnest_Will

 

Earnest Will started during 1987 and ran through 1988 - during Earnest Will there were 2 combat operations against Iranian Forces: Operation Nimble Archer and Operation Praying Mantis.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Nimble_Archer

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Praying_Mantis

 

F-14s provided essential air cover during Nimble Archer, but it was primarily a surface ship operation.

 

Operation Praying Mantis involved strikes by A-6s against Iranian surface vessels in coordination with USN surface vessels. It was a large engagement for the time and an Iranian frigate was sunk with another damaged. Shipborne SAMs were fired and damaged an IRIAF F-4, but there were no A-A engagements. Things easily could have been different. These historical operations make an awesome backdrop for an F-14 campaign that could have a lot of realistic action.

 

Here is the escort path for Earnest Will - goes right through the upcoming SoH map.

 

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Also, hopefully it will be possible to apply new 3D models to the new operational CVN for DCS. Would love to see a CVN-65 model as part of the future.

 

Also, there are great possibilities for an F-14B campaign - possibly in the context of Operation Southern Watch-esque missions or strike operations against Iran, depending on what kind of sensors are integrated into the F-14B module.

 

In short, this theater will be a huge plus for the F-14 module. Both the F-14A and F-14B could fly a ton of interesting and historically accurate missions.

 

-Nick


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Just FYI, there is no sensor difference whatsoever between an F-14A and F-14B. Both carried LANTIRN. They both have identical systems but the F-14B was later upgraded with a Mil-STd-1760 databus that allowed it to carry JDAM. F-14As were "limited" to dumb, cluster, mines, and ALL series of LGBs. F-14Bs had display upgrades and a Sparrowhawk HUD later that had F-14D symbology. The F-14A and F-14B squadrons converted over the same period to Super Hornets, with 2 F-14D squadrons being the last to do so. So their campaigns should be completely interchangeable regardless whether you are flying in F-14A or B, unless LNS decides to model them during different points in their history. AFAIK, they will be both early 90's jets......so the only difference will be the motors( and the fact that F-14Bs don't have any glove vanes at all)

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Just FYI, there is no sensor difference whatsoever between an F-14A and F-14B. Both carried LANTIRN. They both have identical systems but the F-14B was later upgraded with a Mil-STd-1760 databus that allowed it to carry JDAM. F-14As were "limited" to dumb, cluster, mines, and ALL series of LGBs. F-14Bs had display upgrades and a Sparrowhawk HUD later that had F-14D symbology. The F-14A and F-14B squadrons converted over the same period to Super Hornets, with 2 F-14D squadrons being the last to do so. So their campaigns should be completely interchangeable regardless whether you are flying in F-14A or B, unless LNS decides to model them during different points in their history. AFAIK, they will be both early 90's jets......so the only difference will be the motors( and the fact that F-14Bs don't have any glove vanes at all)

 

By sensors, I really just meant whether LANTIRN would be available. Without it, the A-G stuff is less interesting and would require more coordination with AI (for buddy lasing, etc).

 

The F-14A will be mid-late 80s and the F-14B mid 90s, mentioned in Update #2.

 

I see the F-14A having more cold war style missions, so I think there will be different campaign experiences - though LNS might make them interchangeable (they said that they will be separate modules in game).

 

-Nick


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I see the F-14A having more cold war style missions, so I think there will be different campaign experiences - though LNS might make them interchangeable (they said that they will be separate modules in game).

 

-Nick

 

I think the 1980s were definitely the "good ol' days" for the Tomcat. Definitely the best time to place the Tomcat in, although the 1990s offers a wide range of hypothetical opportunities.

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But a bit to the east so you get Murmansk, And probably not as big.

 

but the GIUK gap is a very important strategic area where Russia is concerned.

 

There are quite a few coastal airfields missing from that, but would love to see the GIUK as a theatre.

Wasn't there some confrontation with the F14 up north in this area?

 

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Operation Northern Wedding and Ocean Safari typically brought at least one US Navy carrier into the Greenland-Iceland-United Kingdom (GIUK) gap during the exercise prompting considerable monitoring by Soviet surface ships, submarines and aircraft. Tomcats were utilized to provide around the clock fleet air defense intercepting not only Soviet Bear D aircraft, but Badger maritime strike as well as Bison, Cub and May surveillance aircraft that routinely tried to target the aircraft carrier battle group.

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I think the 1980s were definitely the "good ol' days" for the Tomcat.

 

Definitely with you on that!

 

I think that the Tomcat would be very entertaining in every era of it's service, but the 1980s is the best in terms of utilizing the aircraft's unique strengths and understanding why it was so potent.

 

It became an outstanding strike fighter in the 1990s - many have said it was better than the F-15E (donning my flak jacket :D ). This was overtly stated in the book "Bye Bye Baby" and was attributed largely to the user friendliness of LANTIRN and the huge MFD that upgraded Tomcats used (F-15E has smaller MFDs). The benefits of the large MFDs led the USN to upgrade the F/A-18F as well.

 

That said, these unique features are less appreciated when dropping bombs in a simulator compared to the upcoming F/A-18C (or eventual? F-15E), which was also excellent in the role - save it's short range and smaller payload.

 

I think that LNS is right-on with an 80s F-14A and 90s F-14B - something for everyone (especially if they can offer LANTIRN).

 

-Nick

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There are quite a few coastal airfields missing from that, but would love to see the GIUK as a theatre.

Wasn't there some confrontation with the F14 up north in this area?

 

Ahh...

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F-14_Tomcat_operational_history

 

Yes and crucially for me it misses out Devon and Cornwall, both my home and a source of excellent flying terrain.

 

But really for a DCS map I expect that it's far too big even though I think we really do need a theatre level map like this.

 

Good find regarding the F-14s involvement in this theatre, frankly I find that fleet defence is a very important role for any aircraft based on land or sea in the GIUK Gap. Of course it would provide an excellent habitat for VEAO's Sea Harrier and Lynx modules as well.

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Also the Nimrod out of Kinloss and the Typhoons out of Lossie, my local airfield was Wick, it is situated between the A of Great and the N of Britain on that map.

 

We got a lot of different aircraft come visit us from all over the UK as we had a lot of low flying areas, and Wick was a diversionary airfield which the RAF used for touch 'n' goes.

 

I remember the Jaguar pilot that had to climb slightly to get over the road and my little mini van between Wick and Thurso, he rocked his wings as he disappeared over the next field... and the jet blast rocked my van :D

 

 

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Good find regarding the F-14s involvement in this theatre, frankly I find that fleet defence is a very important role for any aircraft based on land or sea in the GIUK Gap. Of course it would provide an excellent habitat for VEAO's Sea Harrier and Lynx modules as well.

There is more to that than is in Wikipedia, I will have to search my books to get the full story as it does detail some of the tactics the F14 used to intercept the Bears etc. by sneaking up on them using emissions control ie. radar off...


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If we have a big "theater-level" map, I would prefer it be the North Pacific. Far too many games and simulations have featured the North Atlantic/GIUK Gap, but not enough of the North Pacific region, which was considered to be just as important if not more in terms of Cold War naval strategy.

 

In truth, the military is more prepared for the middleweight encounter, i.e., Iran. I think a place like the Strait of Hormuz offers a much more realistic, relevant, and challenging theater to operate the Tomcat in than the GIUK Gap.

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Frankly I don't quite understand the buzz about the GIUK Gap. The GIUK Gap was of strategic significance as anti-submarine barrier.

 

The Tomcat would have had to defeat the striking arm of Soviet naval aviation, Backfire and Badger missile carriers, as the CVBGs entered the Norwegian Sea. There, well within striking range from the Kola Peninsula, the big battle would have probably taken place. The GIUK Gap was actually the very edge of the Soviet sea denial area. So if you want to see the Tomcat in the mission it was designed for, modeling Iceland or parts of the UK would serve little purpose.

 

Anyone that is further interested in this topic, I can highly recommend this read on USN Maritime Strategy in the 1980s.

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Frankly I don't quite understand the buzz about the GIUK Gap. The GIUK Gap was of strategic significance as anti-submarine barrier.

Probably has a lot to do with "Red Storm Rising" :)

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Frankly I don't quite understand the buzz about the GIUK Gap. The GIUK Gap was of strategic significance as anti-submarine barrier.

 

The Tomcat would have had to defeat the striking arm of Soviet naval aviation, Backfire and Badger missile carriers, as the CVBGs entered the Norwegian Sea. There, well within striking range from the Kola Peninsula, the big battle would have probably taken place. The GIUK Gap was actually the very edge of the Soviet sea denial area. So if you want to see the Tomcat in the mission it was designed for, modeling Iceland or parts of the UK would serve little purpose.

 

Anyone that is further interested in this topic, I can highly recommend this read on USN Maritime Strategy in the 1980s.

 

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