Mtnbiker1998 Posted July 30, 2017 Share Posted July 30, 2017 Can anyone point me to a correct source for these little 5 pin connectors used in the Warthog? I ordered some connectors from eBay to rewire a stick and while they LOOKED like the correct connectors in the picture...they aren't. (Not a complete loss...they WILL work with an F-22 board I have sooooooo...) Thanks in Advance Sierra Would you happen to know what that 5 pin connector is in the diagram in the corner? I thought the warthog used a ps2 connector but all the ones I can find have 6 pins instead of 5. Come fly with me, lets fly, lets fly away! -Sinatra [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] My Specs: Lenovo Y50 with GTX 860m (2GB), i7 4700HQ 2.4GHz, 8GB Ram. Corsair K70(MX Blues are awesome!), Benq GW2760HS monitor, Steelseries V3 Prism headset, TM Warthog Hotas, Sidewinder FFB2 W/ FLCS grip, CH Pro pedals, TrackIR5, KW-908 Jetseat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thadiun Okona Posted July 30, 2017 Share Posted July 30, 2017 Would you happen to know what that 5 pin connector is in the diagram in the corner? I thought the warthog used a ps2 connector but all the ones I can find have 6 pins instead of 5. Yes the connector at the base is a 5 pin miniDIN connector. They come in many different pin patterns but miniDIN connectors look the same on the outside. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
debolestis Posted July 30, 2017 Author Share Posted July 30, 2017 I used this one. - Debolestis' Shapeways store - Debolestis' Facebook page - Suncom SFS and Talon restoration and mods - Cougar replacement gimbal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baz000 Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 For anyone interested, I'm willing to sell my Suncom HOTAS setup converted to USB VIA FUSBA from realsimulator.com... I upgraded to a HOTAS Warthog. The only issue I have with mine is one of the throttle POTs needs replacing in order to operate as a dual thottle, they can be slaved together so they mirror the same input and work similar to a single throttle using the FUSBA software. The realsimulator guys have POTs they sell for replacing, just shoot them an E-mail. http://realsimulator.com/html/fusba.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schmirco Posted August 1, 2017 Share Posted August 1, 2017 I'v started modding my Suncom F-15 Hawk, too. Its hard to find one in Germany because Suncom never sold her Sticks in Germany, so i'v buyed one in the USA. I'v replaced all Buttons with newer PushButtons, LeoBodnar 4-Way Hats, at a Recce Button for the Hornet and replaced the plastic Trigger with a TM Cougar Trigger. Its not the final, but it goes on and i'm looking forward to get a nice Hornet stick made by my self. The stick fits perfectly on the MS ForceFeedback 2 Sidewinder Base :joystick: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
debolestis Posted August 2, 2017 Author Share Posted August 2, 2017 Good work! I see that you have removed screw under thumb switch. I thought of doing a same thing. Can you post more photos, I would like to see how you mounted those switches. I found this one: It is Otto P1, I think that is an original or something very similar. I am going to 3D print mounts for Alps 5way switches and finally finish "real" F-15 stick, after this heat wave passes. - Debolestis' Shapeways store - Debolestis' Facebook page - Suncom SFS and Talon restoration and mods - Cougar replacement gimbal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schmirco Posted August 2, 2017 Share Posted August 2, 2017 Thx Its hard to shot a good photo from this part. Hope the pics will help you. Was a lot of drilling and sawing work to fit the Buttons in. The silver rings are normal flat washer, the buttons fits perfectly in it, like the Nose Wheel Steering button as example. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergey_Pe Posted August 3, 2017 Share Posted August 3, 2017 (edited) Schmirco, very good work! Just a reminder in case you want to use the "Press" function of the hats (ALPS RKJXM): the center switch operates both when the shaft is pressed and when it's moved to any direction. You'll need to add a small additional PCB (21x18 mm) to each of the hats to allow the independent operation of the center switch- please see the posts #354 and #356 of this thread. Please also see the PCB layout in Sprint format attached. Debolestis, after a long delay I'm finalizing the grip (actually, two grips) assembly :); here are the pics of the right-side hat using ALPS RKJXL switch and a modified body of a real-life OTTO hat switch (US military surplus bought on eBay). Hat cap and shaft are Suncom stock parts (the shaft was shortened and drilled to fit the switch shaft). The "15" and "-11" marks are used to set the correct orientation of the hats- in the real grip they are rotated 15 and -11 degrees. The left-side hat pics and the whole upper part assembly pics will follow soon.Center Switch PCB 21x18.zip Edited August 3, 2017 by Sergey_Pe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schmirco Posted August 3, 2017 Share Posted August 3, 2017 Thanks a lot Sergey... The plan is to use the LeoBodnar only as 4-Way Switches and the thump Switch as 2-Way plus push function. But thanks for the Info and for the .zip I have saved it for future plans ;-) Todays work: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergey_Pe Posted August 3, 2017 Share Posted August 3, 2017 You are welcome. If you want to use a thumb switch as 2-way+push you still need a PCB- otherwise the central switch will close every time you push the button fwd or aft. This PCB is smaller (21x14 mm); I use it in my mod- please see the file attached. The difference is that need just two signals from the switch (Up and Down), so two diodes less in the circuit. What kind of electronics are you planning to use in the grip?RKJXM_2_21x14.zip Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schmirco Posted August 3, 2017 Share Posted August 3, 2017 Will check it out later on PC, thx. I will use a Arcaze Board, its a german product, makes it much more easier for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergey_Pe Posted August 3, 2017 Share Posted August 3, 2017 OK; please don't hesitate to ask additional questions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schmirco Posted August 3, 2017 Share Posted August 3, 2017 Good to hear, really thanks a lot Sergey. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergey_Pe Posted August 6, 2017 Share Posted August 6, 2017 Just a brief status update. The hats are in place, the parts are connected and the upper bodiies of the grips assembled. The only thing left is the installation of the thumb sticks. In the real F-15 grip they are 3-way hats with "fore-", "aft-", and "press" movements; I'll need to install additional guides to keep the shafts from moving sideways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baz000 Posted August 6, 2017 Share Posted August 6, 2017 My USB converted full suncom setup is still for sale just so everybody knows Lots of suncom fans out there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schmirco Posted August 6, 2017 Share Posted August 6, 2017 Sergey, where did you get the ring with the letters for the trimm direction ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergey_Pe Posted August 6, 2017 Share Posted August 6, 2017 (edited) Sergey, where did you get the ring with the letters for the trimm direction ? It's all that's left from the real OTTO US military surplus hat switches that I've found on eBay. Using them directly turned out to be impossible due to a very high and uneven force needed to move a hat (which is typical for the real-life switches). So after all I used just the aluminium bodies having them shortened to accomodate the PCB's with ALPS RKJXL hat switches. Edited August 6, 2017 by Sergey_Pe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schmirco Posted August 7, 2017 Share Posted August 7, 2017 Awesome !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergey_Pe Posted August 7, 2017 Share Posted August 7, 2017 Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
debolestis Posted September 8, 2017 Author Share Posted September 8, 2017 I mentioned before that I had bought 4 Otto P1-1 switches. I wanted to replace S1, S2, S3 and S4 switches. Finally I had some time to do it. It is not difficult mod, it took me about an hour. On the right you can see Otto P1 switch, it looks similar but there are a few differences. Area bellow the actuator is taller and Otto switch is a bit narrower. I solved that problem with electrical tape. I just wrapped 5-6 cm around the each switch. If switch couldn't fit I removed 5-10mm of tape and tried again until fit was just right. I wrapped the tape 0,5mm bellow the edge because tape can slip in tight fits. Here is S3 installed: Then I repeated same process for S4 and then unplugged S2 switch. Here is its header on PCB. Here is S2 installed. You can also see how S1 fits perfectly. Then I put everything back together again. Here are some photos of finished grip: The result is amazing. Warthog is nice grip but its push button switches were just crap. I never had proper tactile feel, now it is completely different. It feels like real grip now. I also had to adjust pinkie lever by turning grub screw bellow. Lever is the best, there is constant force while it is moved and in the end loud click with great tactile feel. There are actually two versions of this switch: one with 4lbs of force and one with 2.5 lbs force. I have all 4lbs, maybe lower force would be better for S1-S3 it depends on personal preference, but for S4 4 lbs is awesome. I strongly recommend this mod to everybody. This switches are expensive but from time to time they can be found cheap on eBay, especially for somebody in US. Postage to Europe is sometimes more expensive than switches. After one minute on eBay I found this one. - Debolestis' Shapeways store - Debolestis' Facebook page - Suncom SFS and Talon restoration and mods - Cougar replacement gimbal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baz000 Posted September 9, 2017 Share Posted September 9, 2017 I'm selling fully USB converted Suncom HOTAS setup via FUSBA. Contact me I'm taking offers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sokol1_br Posted September 16, 2017 Share Posted September 16, 2017 (edited) I made this shield. It is modular design. On the left goes Leonardo ProMicro, i the middle amplifier for thumb-stick and on the right 8 bit shift register board that will be daisy chained with shift register from right grip. First of all I wanted to see if amplifier is working. I made it in June but i tested it today. I didn't want to disassemble my throttle so I did it like this: http://i.imgur.com/38cmgDi.jpg http://i.imgur.com/nN85UJE.jpg It is messy but it will be much cleaner soon. Amplifier works!!! It is great news, because now PS3 thumbstick will be usable. Without amplifier it has very low resolution. On 10 bits maybe 17-18 points for each axis. It is a bit better when over sampled 14 bits but still not so good. I also don't have full range of mechanical motion due to construction right grip. With amplifier I got around 100 points on 10 bits, and when over sampled it worked well. I will tweak it more, I made voltage measurements and I'll make a few simulations in LT Spice and try to get even better range. You can see how it worked when calibrated in MMjoy2. http://i.imgur.com/JebhX75.jpg Here is schematics. If somebody has any better Idea please say it. http://i.imgur.com/ocsTL1c.png PCB can be bought HERE. From Il-2.ru, PS2 stick with your amplifier, but connected though MCP3202, work very good. :thumbup: https://forum.il2sturmovik.ru/uploads/monthly_09_2017/post-63429-0-54912400-1505549209.jpg https://forum.il2sturmovik.ru/topic/4664-mmjoy2-besplatnaya-proshivka-i-soft-dlya-samodelnogo-k/page-26#entry558734 Edited September 16, 2017 by Sokol1_br Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
debolestis Posted September 17, 2017 Author Share Posted September 17, 2017 Thank you Sokol! You always find most valuables posts. - Debolestis' Shapeways store - Debolestis' Facebook page - Suncom SFS and Talon restoration and mods - Cougar replacement gimbal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sokol1_br Posted September 30, 2017 Share Posted September 30, 2017 (edited) Catfish post this scheme in Il-2.ru for use Alps RKJXM as 4 way HAT through CD4021B Shift Register, using 74HC4066 solid state switch instead diodes - no additional PCB is needed: https://s25.postimg.cc/kvq3pxqvv/post-56549-0-46558800-1506775796.jpg Edited November 28, 2019 by Sokol1_br Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
debolestis Posted October 9, 2017 Author Share Posted October 9, 2017 I have a few things for sale HERE. - Debolestis' Shapeways store - Debolestis' Facebook page - Suncom SFS and Talon restoration and mods - Cougar replacement gimbal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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