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Correct, the right throttle grip has 2 shift registers. The left grip on the other hand has a button and a toggle that go straight to the main board in the throttle base.

 

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Would your original solution work for other sticks such as the Cougar HOTAS of for people like me rebuilding Suncom sticks?

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Let me make sure I understand.

 

Currently, when I slew (say, my SPI), it has two sensitivities: not moving or moving too damn fast/far.

 

So this drop in modification/replacement should allow me to move slower or faster based on how far I'm pushing it?

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Let me make sure I understand.

 

Currently, when I slew (say, my SPI), it has two sensitivities: not moving or moving too damn fast/far.

 

So this drop in modification/replacement should allow me to move slower or faster based on how far I'm pushing it?

Have you played with the curve/saturation? The default settings are horrendous.

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Yes, I've messed with the settings based on a guide someone had posted a while back. It seemed a bit better, but to me it still feels like it is a hat switch, not a joystick in that it is either moving at full speed or not at all. Perhaps it is somehow defective? Is yours able to move at slower speeds?

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Aurel - Have a look at the Target Device Analyzer. That will show the SLEW inputs as analog, and demonsrate how non-axis it is like with the default settings.

 

Thats probably better feedback for tweaking settings than in-game.

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is this still alive ? or has it hit a barrier ?

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It´d be great to have a better and more precise slew control. Even with modified axis it is very hard to slew slow in the center and fast at the edges as they are too close together. This is the only point where I really miss my good old Cougar. A short update would be great as I´m also very very interested as well.

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I really hope this is still alive. Keep up the great work.

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I dont know if it is allowed to post here, If not I will delete it.

I took a microstick cap from an old laptop and glued it to the slew control (quick 'n' dirty)

 

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hegykc, I hope you're still here. This is the most important mod I think I've ever seen. I hope the fact that the electronics in the Hotas Warthog are not compatible with standard joystick pots won't stop you from offering this mod for sale.

 

My workaround for this would be just not to use the Throttle's own circuit board for the replacement slew. Rather, I'll just run an extra cable out of the throttle, and connect it to my USB encoder. I think anyone hardcore enough to disassemble their throttle and replace the slew would be able to do this as well.

 

I would be willing to pay you a generaous price for a one-off printing run of the parts you prototyped , if you've tested them to fit. I'll make all the electronics work myself. Please contact me if you're up for doing business.

 

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Definitely interested in this. The original is really only good for rough, large-throw applications. Having tried many work-arounds, both through software and hardware (nubs, ps controllers and the like) I concluded that your idea is the best solution by far. I don't have the know-how to confidently tackle the problem though. Will be watching with interest with wallet ready....

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It's taking longer only because as my knowledge increases I see I can make it better and better, and in more ways than one. Also, all of my projects are interconnected so it becomes easier to get some services done and goods ordered.

 

So, my first plan of just plugging a mini thumb joystick plug'n'play into the throttle will not work. TM used a device which is not a simple potentiometer or hall sensor, but a kind of a micro controller in itself. I don't know if that's the right phrase but the tiny joystick itself can be programmed for different applications. It communicates with I2C protocol, and in order to make my regular mini joystick to work, we would need a custom designed pcb with some other electrical components to mimic this.

 

The really, really bad thing is that it only has 1mm/0.04'' of travel in each direction, and only travels in 2D which is unpractical for a finger. It was made for mobile phones where the operation is much more intuitive using ones thumb.

 

BUT, do not despair. Working on my other projects I became much more familiar with electronics, so I have a couple of solutions in mind.

 

The last one in this thread, was to simply design a new encasing with a micro mechanical mechanism that would translate the small 2D movement into a much larger 3D joystick like movement, via a lever in a gimball. But plastic micro mechanical mechanisms brake and wear out, and any backlash or deadzones in the mechanism would be enlarged. Plus, why go through the trouble of making a really bad thing, slightly better, when we can completely replace the whole thing.

 

So, I think I will take the very first design with the simple playstation mini joystick ( there are some really high quality ones, down to the 0.99$ ones), discard 1 of the 3 bolts on the plastic plate and rout the wires through that bolt hole, outside, to an arduino nano. Or better yet, plug that mini joystick into some of my projects that already use an arduino, like the instruments/panels/levers.

 

Not the most elegant solution, but it's dirt cheap, high quality, no drilling/soldering and I can tell in advance that it'll work.

 

I will also test the new casing with the mechanical mechanism just in case it works out.


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I feel like a small track ball for the thumb would be great imbedded appropriately in a stick. Or track pad maybe

 

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hegykc, I'm glad you're still here and working on this. I'm looking forward to updates. As long as we're on the subject of replacing the slew joystick entirely, has anyone ever contacted Otto, Sogein, or Atoms regarding their willingness to sell the *real* thing to civillians?

 

http://www.ottoexcellence.com/products/transducer-switch/

http://www.sogein.eu/joystick.html

http://www.atoms-monaco.com/fr/joystick-commande/mini-joystick/

 

I wonder if these can even be ordered individually and what kind of cost they are. Hundreds of dollars probably?

 

S3NTRY11, a trackball on the throttle would be awesome. The F35 has got one. http://www.f-16.net/forum/download/file.php?id=16163&sid=90f7d0da6ab03434fb25897b93a4ee25&mode=view But, a trackball wouldn't be a good replacement for Warthog owners because the cursor replacement still needs a bug button. I can't find any clickable trackballs out there. Could be a neat project.

 

EDIT: I forgot to mention. I'm working on my own implementation of this, albiet without hegykc's impressive 3d printing. I have a dualshock3 gamepad that I'm going to gut, remove the battery from, and hack away all of the PCB except for the bluetooth, USB controller, one joystick, and power button. Then, I'll desolder the stick attach 30guage wires to it, and replace the stock slew with it. I should then be able to run the wires down to what's left of the DS3 PCB in the throttle base. May be a tight fit and require some drilling/cutting. I've got some fun options at this point, including either drilling a new hole for a mini USB cable to connect the DS3 to the PC, or I may be able to wire the throttle's existent usb voltage to the DS3 PCB and use it with my PC via bluetooth. I've used DS3tool with the DS3 and the PC, so it'll just show up as an xbox360 controller, with the normal axes. Will work in all sims. I'll update this thread with pics if I'm able to pull this off.


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