9.JG27 DavidRed Posted July 28, 2014 Share Posted July 28, 2014 hey guys!anybody managed to do proper crosswind landings already?i tried it, und up until touchdown everything is fine...once all three wheels are on the ground though, the plane starts to heavily head into the wind, no matter what i do...even full opposite break and rudder dont avoid that, and so i always come off the runway and crash eventually or at least spin around...i also tried to counter this behaviour with engaging noswheel steering directly after touch down, but its hard enough to do that after touch down without wind, and with crosswind, this seems to be really hard, if not to say too hard...besides i cant imagine real F86 pilots would engage nosewheel steering directly after touchdown anyways..... in the mission i tried it, i set wind to 15m/s from 90° to the runway....after i failed every time, i reduced the wind to only 10m/s, but still with the same result....:( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Random Posted July 28, 2014 Share Posted July 28, 2014 Just tapping nosewheel steer with full opposite rudder should work. It does for me in mild crosswinds! 10m/s is pretty high really Over 35kph! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
9.JG27 DavidRed Posted July 28, 2014 Author Share Posted July 28, 2014 (edited) i know its 36kph, still i would assume that this shouldnt cause much if any trouble for a bird like the F86. EDIT:meanwhile i managed to make a successfull crosswind landing at 10m/s from 90°, but still it feels wrong how bad the plane seems to nose into the wind once all three wheels are on the ground. Edited July 28, 2014 by 9./JG27 DavidRed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Furia Posted July 28, 2014 Share Posted July 28, 2014 Your rudder is effective till 50 knots. Use it to keep directional control on the runway. Do not use the wheel brakes let alone the nose wheel steering just right after touchdown, For the whlee brakes wait till at least you are about 80 knots and use them gently. let the aircraft decelerate by itself on runway. The brakes of the Sabre are not as efficient as modern jets. 1 [sIGPIC]http://menorca.infotelecom.es/~raulurbina/ESA/banner_furia.png[/sIGPIC] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
9.JG27 DavidRed Posted July 28, 2014 Author Share Posted July 28, 2014 Your rudder is effective till 50 knots. Use it to keep directional control on the runway. Do not use the wheel brakes let alone the nose wheel steering just right after touchdown, For the whlee brakes wait till at least you are about 80 knots and use them gently. let the aircraft decelerate by itself on runway. The brakes of the Sabre are not as efficient as modern jets. have you tried that?even with full right rudder plus right brakes(because the rudder doesnt do anything) the plane will still head directly left off the runway, and that at only 15m/s. i will keep trying, but rudder itself doesnt seem to be effective enough to keep the plane on the runway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
9.JG27 DavidRed Posted July 28, 2014 Author Share Posted July 28, 2014 admitted, not the finest landing, but still it shows that full right rudder isnt sufficient to counter the wind on the ground.:( 15m/s from 90° relative to the runway Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Random Posted July 28, 2014 Share Posted July 28, 2014 Have you tried just tapping the nosewheel steer instead of holding it? I'll set up a crosswind on a nap and see how i get on using that method with 10-15m/s Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
9.JG27 DavidRed Posted July 28, 2014 Author Share Posted July 28, 2014 even if that would work, i would need to hear it from an F86 pilot and probably not even then believe that they have done it that way in real life with a moderate wind of 15m/s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anatoli-Kagari9 Posted July 28, 2014 Share Posted July 28, 2014 even if that would work, i would need to hear it from an F86 pilot and probably not even then believe that they have done it that way in real life with a moderate wind of 15m/s. David, 15m/s means 30 knot x-wind.... That's not moderate, which is 10-19 knot :-) I have landed different aircraft (gliders up to 22m env) in moderate to strong x-wind IRL, and while some behave well to a stop, others are a nightmare to keep in the rw as soon as you loose rudder authority :-/ The f86 was used at FAP, so, I'll try to gather some info.... Flight Simulation is the Virtual Materialization of a Dream... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
9.JG27 DavidRed Posted July 28, 2014 Author Share Posted July 28, 2014 yeah i know, that moderate is a bit exaggerated, but still... though getting some info about crosswind landings of the sabre would be really interesting! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Furia Posted July 28, 2014 Share Posted July 28, 2014 Servus. The flight manual talks about a limit of 25 knots that is 12.8 mters per second wind. however the same manual recomend finding a different runway or airport if possible. You are trying it at 15 mts per second that is outside of what the manual recommend. The Sabre is not a "easy" aicraft to fly, needs a bit of practice. 25 knot direct crosswind is a challenge in any aircraft even for experienced pilots. I suggest you start practicing with smaller crosswind components and keep increasing it once you are more confortable with the aircraft behaviour. [sIGPIC]http://menorca.infotelecom.es/~raulurbina/ESA/banner_furia.png[/sIGPIC] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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