H-var Posted July 21, 2014 Share Posted July 21, 2014 (edited) Hello to all the enthusiasts, and all knowing people, If to put KA-50 vs. UH-1H vs. Mi-8 against each other, with one condition - they can use cannon only, would it be a fair fight? Please, tell what you think. Edited July 21, 2014 by H-var 2. The DCS MOVIE information! 4. REAL UFO FOOTAGE I don't trust anything that bleeds for five days, and doesn't die government: gives me money because of coronavirus me: spends all money on the missing DCS modules government: ... you dumbo! We won't give you money anymore me: It's ok. I don't need anything else - I now have the entire DCS collection my cat: looking at the empty bowl for a while and goes back to sleep me: it's hard times, Mig, suck it up! [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crazyirish93 Posted July 21, 2014 Share Posted July 21, 2014 Im pretty certain a decent ka 50 pilot would murder the others since he can lock with shkval and use helmet mounted sight to slew the canon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xaoslaad Posted July 21, 2014 Share Posted July 21, 2014 If the Huey and Mi-8 were using forward guns only pretty fair. The AI gunners on the Huey's are snipers though so they throw a kink in the fairness. On the other hand the Hip is supposed to get door gunners too, so maybe then it will be fair. But what skill is there in letting each others door gunners murder you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flagrum Posted July 21, 2014 Share Posted July 21, 2014 how about huey vs Mi-8, on your own opinion, crazyirish? Huey wins due the flexible mounted miniguns and due to the general better agility. The Huey would just circle around the Hip and pump it full of lead while the Hip would not be able to get into a decent firing position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crazyirish93 Posted July 21, 2014 Share Posted July 21, 2014 If the Huey and Mi-8 were using forward guns only pretty fair. The AI gunners on the Huey's are snipers though so they throw a kink in the fairness. On the other hand the Hip is supposed to get door gunners too, so maybe then it will be fair. But what skill is there in letting each others door gunners murder you. I reckon if the mi8 gets a good burst with its cannons before it descends into a turning fight the mi 8 will have a chance otherwise i think the huey would win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xaoslaad Posted July 21, 2014 Share Posted July 21, 2014 Ya, good point. The Hip is bigger and sturdier and can take more punishment, but if you can't avoid getting into the turning fight it's gonna be tough. Not impossible though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darkwolf Posted July 21, 2014 Share Posted July 21, 2014 NOT FAIR AT ALL :P I did won a couple of dogfights with the Huey.. ... Against an A10-C flew by a friend. The Huey can fire gatling in a 270° radius. Not the others. It has superior manoeuvrability and is PITA to destroy. It's a damn B17 with a rotor. That is not fair at all.... [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] PC simulator news site. Also....Join the largest DCS community on Facebook :pilotfly: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flagrum Posted July 21, 2014 Share Posted July 21, 2014 NOT FAIR AT ALL :P I did won a couple of dogfights with the Huey.. ... Against an A10-C flew by a friend. The Huey can fire gatling in a 270° radius. Not the others. It has superior manoeuvrability and is PITA to destroy. It's a damn B17 with a rotor. That is not fair at all.... Huey vs. Hip ... I agree. But Huey vs. Blackshark? Never. The Ka-50 will just snipe the Huey pilot out of the cockpit at 2km distance ... :o) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tsumikae Posted July 22, 2014 Share Posted July 22, 2014 NOT FAIR AT ALL :P The Huey can fire gatling in a 270° radius. Not the others. It has superior manoeuvrability and is PITA to destroy. It's a damn B17 with a rotor. That is not fair at all.... Superior maneuvrability? Compared to the shark, it's a brick. And what good would be your 270° radius when explosive 30 mm shells dismember your antiquity from a distance? :p The only chance for a huey vs a KA would be to close in unnoticed. There, the miniguns radius can make a difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scrim Posted July 22, 2014 Share Posted July 22, 2014 Agreed. The KA-50 would murder both. And the Huey is so different from the Mi-8. It's way more agile, better sight for all crew members, and especially the flex and door guns would be a very big advantage over the Mi-8. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Home Fries Posted July 22, 2014 Share Posted July 22, 2014 My vote for Ka-50 vs UH-1 was fair with considerations. Here are my considerations: The huey could mount 20mm flex cannons and .50 cal door guns in lieu of miniguns (in order to counter the Shark's armor). The fight starts in close. Then you would be fighting the maneuverable gunship with a limited travel cannon (Ka-50) vs the manually aimed, unarmored gunship with a 270 degree firing arc. If the Huey maneuvers properly, the Ka-50 will never get a Shkval lock and will have to take the cannon off AT in order to shoot. I could picture this being played out in Star Fleet Battles. :lol: -Home Fries My DCS Files and Skins My DCS TARGET Profile for Cougar or Warthog and MFDs F-14B LANTIRN Guide Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leafer Posted July 22, 2014 Share Posted July 22, 2014 Easy win for Ka-50 once pilot has a lock on you with that .30 cal. ED have been taking my money since 1995. :P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flagrum Posted July 22, 2014 Share Posted July 22, 2014 My vote for Ka-50 vs UH-1 was fair with considerations. Here are my considerations: The huey could mount 20mm flex cannons and .50 cal door guns in lieu of miniguns (in order to counter the Shark's armor). The fight starts in close. Then you would be fighting the maneuverable gunship with a limited travel cannon (Ka-50) vs the manually aimed, unarmored gunship with a 270 degree firing arc. If the Huey maneuvers properly, the Ka-50 will never get a Shkval lock and will have to take the cannon off AT in order to shoot. I could picture this being played out in Star Fleet Battles. :lol: Afaik there is no such thing as a mountable 20mm flex cannon. Even the Cobra can only mount one(!) fixed cannon "pod". But even if it were possible, the Ka-50 would play out it's speed advantage to get some distance to the Huey, turn around and ... snipe the Huey pilot again out of his cockpit. :o) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sceptre Posted July 22, 2014 Share Posted July 22, 2014 (edited) Easy win for Ka-50 once pilot has a lock on you with that .30 cal. it's a 30mm, even deadlier :) if any helicopter gets hit by one of these in the right spot, it's game over Ka-50 would easily win. It has better armour, over double the engine power, it's faster, more manoeuvrable, and has optics and a HMD Edited July 22, 2014 by Sceptre RTX 2070 8GB | 32GB DDR4 2666 RAM | AMD Ryzen 5 3600 4.2Ghz | Asrock X570 | CH Fighterstick/Pro Throttle | TM MFDs | TrackIR 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doveman Posted July 22, 2014 Share Posted July 22, 2014 Well the OP didn't consider the pilot's skill but as i have trouble against non-moving ground targets I expect any other chopper would find it quite easy to beat me! Main rig: i5-4670k @4.4Ghz, Asus Z97-A, Scythe Kotetsu HSF, 32GB Kingston Savage 2400Mhz DDR3, 1070ti, Win 10 x64, Samsung Evo 256GB SSD (OS & Data), OCZ 480GB SSD (Games), WD 2TB and WD 3TB HDDs, 1920x1200 Dell U2412M, 1920x1080 Dell P2314T touchscreen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
combatace Posted July 22, 2014 Share Posted July 22, 2014 (edited) Easy win for Ka-50 once pilot has a lock on you with that .30 cal. Isn't it that .30 cal mean 3/10th of an inch not equal to 30mm cannon. I am just saying because .50 cal is more powerful then .30 cal but it is not anyway near 30mm cannon. You can see the difference in the attached image. That 30mm thing will blow Huey's tail away in one shot. Edited July 22, 2014 by combatace To support my models please donate to paypal ID: hp.2084@gmail.com https://www.turbosquid.com/Search/Artists/hero2084?referral=hero2084 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sashmeister Posted July 22, 2014 Share Posted July 22, 2014 omg are u really comparing helicopters in air to air close fight? Lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emu Posted July 22, 2014 Share Posted July 22, 2014 Pretty much a case of M1A2 SEP vs Sherman vs T-55. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gate-5 Posted July 22, 2014 Share Posted July 22, 2014 9 bucks for one single bullet?! I hate wars... Now, even more. $65 a bullet for the Black Shark's integrated 2A42 cannon. $65 * 800rds\min = you shooting out $52 000 per minute. Wow.. War is probably the stupidest thing people could ever come up with, yet it demands the brightest minds in order to exist. Its even worse if you do your calculation for the GAU-8 (up to 4200rds/min). However.. still cheap compared to other weapons, e.g. a single AIM-120 which costs about 1'000'000$. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einherjer Posted July 22, 2014 Share Posted July 22, 2014 War is really the most stupid thing ... So lets Play it and dont do it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exorcet Posted July 22, 2014 Share Posted July 22, 2014 War has an unfair reputation. There is nothing wrong with going to war for a good cause. If I had to pick between war or Hitler I know which one I'd go with. In any case, Ka-50 is probably going to have the advantage. I wonder how much terrain would matter though, if this was in a mountainous region or in a city with low altitude restrictions it might become more interesting. Awaiting: DCS F-15C Win 10 i5-9600KF 4.6 GHz 64 GB RAM RTX2080Ti 11GB -- Win 7 64 i5-6600K 3.6 GHz 32 GB RAM GTX970 4GB -- A-10C, F-5E, Su-27, F-15C, F-14B, F-16C missions in User Files Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flagrum Posted July 22, 2014 Share Posted July 22, 2014 War has an unfair reputation. There is nothing wrong with going to war for a good cause. If I had to pick between war or Hitler I know which one I'd go with. The thing with good causes is that they are highly subjective. Some cases are probably easier to decide than others - in hindsight at least. But I am pretty confident, that in every war every side thinks that they are the "good" ones and that only they fight for a just cause. Good or evil - it is always a matter of the perspective ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
combatace Posted July 22, 2014 Share Posted July 22, 2014 War has an unfair reputation. There is nothing wrong with going to war for a good cause. If I had to pick between war or Hitler I know which one I'd go with. In any case, Ka-50 is probably going to have the advantage. I wonder how much terrain would matter though, if this was in a mountainous region or in a city with low altitude restrictions it might become more interesting. Fighting for a good cause is like f**king for virginity. To support my models please donate to paypal ID: hp.2084@gmail.com https://www.turbosquid.com/Search/Artists/hero2084?referral=hero2084 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exorcet Posted July 22, 2014 Share Posted July 22, 2014 The thing with good causes is that they are highly subjective. Some cases are probably easier to decide than others - in hindsight at least. But I am pretty confident, that in every war every side thinks that they are the "good" ones and that only they fight for a just cause. Good or evil - it is always a matter of the perspective ... That's only if nothing can be truly wrong. If something is truly wrong, like murder or theft, then good and evil is not just a perspective thing. Fighting for a good cause is like f**king for virginity. I'd say they're quite different, I don't see how the latter makes sense. This could make for a good discussion, but I think it's in the wrong spot. Awaiting: DCS F-15C Win 10 i5-9600KF 4.6 GHz 64 GB RAM RTX2080Ti 11GB -- Win 7 64 i5-6600K 3.6 GHz 32 GB RAM GTX970 4GB -- A-10C, F-5E, Su-27, F-15C, F-14B, F-16C missions in User Files Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Home Fries Posted July 22, 2014 Share Posted July 22, 2014 Afaik there is no such thing as a mountable 20mm flex cannon. Even the Cobra can only mount one(!) fixed cannon "pod". But even if it were possible, the Ka-50 would play out it's speed advantage to get some distance to the Huey, turn around and ... snipe the Huey pilot again out of his cockpit. :o) The J model (and later) cobras have a 20mm on the chin turret, but even with 2xfixed 20mm on the mounts you could have a fair fight under the right conditions. The speed advantage isn't so great that the Ka-50 will be able to get to stand-off range before the Huey can bring weapons to bear. I still give the advantage to the Ka-50, but you could have a good fight if it started in close. -Home Fries My DCS Files and Skins My DCS TARGET Profile for Cougar or Warthog and MFDs F-14B LANTIRN Guide Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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