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"Project Creators are required to fulfill all rewards of their successful fundraising campaigns or refund any Backer whose reward they do not or cannot fulfill."

Straight from the kickstarter terms of use

 

So go sue RRG if you want your money back. RRG took in and spent all that KS cash and then failed to deliver. Your argument is with them.

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I really hope DCS:WWII craps all over company A and its associates.

 

I wouldn't be surprised if it was a scam on their part to hinder ED and DCS:WWII

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Company A and B partner to make product

Company A sells non yet existing product to get capital

Company A spends capital to develop product

Company A gives partly developed product to company B for free

Company B hires company A's employees

Company B still works with company A's owner

Company B will earn all profits from selling the product

Company B tells company A's customers to buy the same product again

 

Nobody is going to sue either company because company B is technically not liable unless you can prove some sort of fraud and A is bankrupt and suing for $40 isn't worth it anyway.

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Company A and B partner to make product

Company A sells non yet existing product to get capital

Company A spends capital to develop product

Company A gives partly developed product to company B for free

Company B hires company A's employees

Company B still works with company A's owner

Company B will earn all profits from selling the product

Company B tells company A's customers to buy the same product again

 

Nobody is going to sue either company because company B is technically not liable unless you can prove some sort of fraud and A is bankrupt and suing for $40 isn't worth it anyway.

Do we really go through all this once more? There are PLENTY of threads about it that cover pretty much every aspect of the situation - pro vs. con, happy vs. unhappy, evil vs. good, ED vs. RRG, black vs. white, forum vs. youtubers (:D) ...

 

http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=125454

http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=126673

http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=126712

 

http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=126824

http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=126833

http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=126965

 

Imho we all can shorten the discussion here and make it easier for everyone if you work yourself through those threads first. And if you have something to add that was not covered there already, feel free to post it here.

 

Thank you for you understanding.

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What's your point then?

 

The point is that it's bad PR to treat your customers like that.

I'm pretty sure the goal of DCS WW2 was to vastly broaden the appeal of DCS by attracting WW2 enthusiasts, who'd otherwise show little interest in a sim full of computer controlled jets.

This taints the public image of DCS WW2 and all future DCS related kickstarters.

 

I'm certainly not spending any money on DCS modules any time soon.

Possibly on Mig-21 (who's creators did honor their backer's contracts despite the project creator running with the money), which I planned on buying before DCS WW2 happened, but that's it.

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Do we really go through all this once more? There are PLENTY of threads about it that cover pretty much every aspect of the situation - pro vs. con, happy vs. unhappy, evil vs. good, ED vs. RRG, black vs. white, forum vs. youtubers (:D) ...

 

http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=125454

http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=126673

http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=126712

 

http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=126824

http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=126833

http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=126965

 

Imho we all can shorten the discussion here and make it easier for everyone if you work yourself through those threads first. And if you have something to add that was not covered there already, feel free to post it here.

 

Thank you for you understanding.

 

There will be more threads like this and the others. This one will be closed and another added to the list. It will continue until the truth of what happened to RRG and the ED takeover is revealed. You can say "never going to happen". To tell folk to read through all the previous post then post here is "never going to happen". Accepting a situation discussed on the internet without the facts, for some folk is "never going to happen"

Just the way it is

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I'm certainly not spending any money on DCS modules any time soon.

 

Ah, there we go. I guess with that said, there really is no point in belabouring this any more, as pointed out previously, the horse has been beaten to death and then some.


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The point is that it's bad PR to treat your customers like that.

I'm pretty sure the goal of DCS WW2 was to vastly broaden the appeal of DCS by attracting WW2 enthusiasts, who'd otherwise show little interest in a sim full of computer controlled jets.

This taints the public image of DCS WW2 and all future DCS related kickstarters.

 

I'm certainly not spending any money on DCS modules any time soon.

Possibly on Mig-21 (who's creators did honor their backer's contracts despite the project creator running with the money), which I planned on buying before DCS WW2 happened, but that's it.

 

I am sure everyone involved will admit to mistakes made, it was an ugly chapter in what will surely be a great bundle of products, you are allowed to be mad, upset or however you want to be, this is the best ED has to offer on what was a poorly conceived plan by another company (the MiG 21 is an example of rewards done right, so its not that great of a comparison).

 

Whatever you decide to do is your choice of course, ED has offered their best to appease us... its up to us as individuals to process that the best we can... I hate to see anyone leave DCS because of it, but as I said, everyone has to do what they feel is best for them.

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Also worth bearing in mind that at your $40 backing you're getting 2 planes and the Normandy map. For somebody who wasn't part of the KS that'll likely cost them $140-$150 depending on the price point for the map. So even if you're not getting the exceedingly good deal that RRG, unrealistically as it turned out, offered you're still getting a good deal overall.

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That's the fishy part. Ilya didn't vanish. He's still contracted to work for ED. Same goes for the majority of RRG who now work for ED.

 

They must have made some deal with Ilya to aquire the assets that RRG has developed.

If Ilya gave them away for free while defaulting on his depts, then that's fraud.

 

 

 

 

"Project Creators are required to fulfill all rewards of their successful fundraising campaigns or refund any Backer whose reward they do not or cannot fulfill."

Straight from the kickstarter terms of use

 

 

 

 

Sport, you don't have a clue and are just cauldron stirring, whilst reeking of a sock puppet (considering your join date)


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The point is that it's bad PR to treat your customers like that.

I'm pretty sure the goal of DCS WW2 was to vastly broaden the appeal of DCS by attracting WW2 enthusiasts, who'd otherwise show little interest in a sim full of computer controlled jets.

This taints the public image of DCS WW2 and all future DCS related kickstarters.

 

I'm certainly not spending any money on DCS modules any time soon.

Possibly on Mig-21 (who's creators did honor their backer's contracts despite the project creator running with the money), which I planned on buying before DCS WW2 happened, but that's it.

 

The Goal was a RRG KS project to produce WWII aircraft to ride on the back of a free ED core product and to produce a new map. The KS part failed and the backers lost their money.... until ED stepped up and picked up the pieces. The risks were declared at the KS launch:

"The general risks are always the same: trying to do too much with not enough money and not enough time."

 

You don't say how much you put in to KS but ED do seem to be trying to meet the rewards as best they can for a dead KS project.

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Thought we were done with this debate? All backers are upset but most of us have decided to move on. Am I happy about getting two planes instead of all? Not exactly... Is getting two planes better than getting nothing? Yes! So what is the point ranting about this now? It's not exactly news anymore...

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