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if u fire IR missile at enemy at his six from below so its really impossible to see it, the enemy engages defensive the moment you squeeze the trigger..

 

so, wtf)) any suggestions?

 

p.s.:yes, no radar was turned, nothing, passive targeting all the way..

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if u fire IR missile at enemy at his six from below so its really impossible to see it, the enemy engages defensive the moment you squeeze the trigger..

 

so, wtf)) any suggestions?

 

p.s.:yes, no radar was turned, nothing, passive targeting all the way..

You are talking about A2A? What was the distance? What aircraft did the AI fly?

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aircraft f15, at 9000 m altitude, me with a mig29 firing aphids))lol.. anyway, its all infra passive versus f15 who can NOT by any means detect this yet the moment i squeeze the trigger they go berserk, like i insulted their mother or something))

 

its frustrating to have dumb AI and then freakishly exceptional AI with superhuman abilities to detect IR missiles from 6 o'clock below them..

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aircraft f15, at 9000 m altitude, me with a mig29 firing aphids))lol.. anyway, its all infra passive versus f15 who can NOT by any means detect this yet the moment i squeeze the trigger they go berserk, like i insulted their mother or something))

 

its frustrating to have dumb AI and then freakishly exceptional AI with superhuman abilities to detect IR missiles from 6 o'clock below them..

I don't know much about the F-15C, but it has no MWS like even the A-10C has?

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if u fire IR missile at enemy at his six from below so its really impossible to see it, the enemy engages defensive the moment you squeeze the trigger..

 

so, wtf)) any suggestions?

 

p.s.:yes, no radar was turned, nothing, passive targeting all the way..

The AI has abilities beyond a real pilot.

 

But, I will say I've been in this situation and dodged the missile, so a stealth IR shot on the AI should not necessarily be 100% kill. In MP I've look over my shoulder to see a R-73 light at the moment of fire from a plane I never saw. I dodged it and a second R-73 before getting out of there. On the other hand, I've also flown right into them.

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Kaktus, AI is all-knowing. You should know this by now :P

I thought, this was only true for ground units? Aren't AI aircrafts supposed to only use the sensors they're equipped with and that those are affected by several factors (light conditions, aspect of the enemy, skill ofc., etc.)?

 

If the F-15 really has no MWS (to which the AI probably could react in an instant), then the only sensors would be good ol' Mk1 eyeball - which is treated like any other sensor by the AI logic. Because of that I asked about the distance between the aircrafts.

 

If canopy design is or should also be factored in ... I don't know, though.

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Aspect has definitely some kind of effect on AI vision

 

It does. I've even killed fully-armed Hinds in a Huey a couple of times when I had an opportunity to get behind them unseen. Well not that the AI doesn't have an upper hand immediately if they _do_ detect you though :P

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Cockpit visibility is modeled for AI at least for most planes. Cargo planes and helicopters have crew members looking out the windows so it's reasonable to expect it will react to missile shot from sides and rear also. If you come across a plane that seems to have magic vision it might be good to make a bug report if someone hasn't already.

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I've found guns kills are way easier than Heat seekers against the AI. The flares work 99% of the time and the AI pilot never misses a chance to use them. However, the AI really isn't great at shaking you once you get on their tail with the GSH 30mm :joystick:

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Cockpit visibility is modeled for AI at least for most planes. Cargo planes and helicopters have crew members looking out the windows so it's reasonable to expect it will react to missile shot from sides and rear also. If you come across a plane that seems to have magic vision it might be good to make a bug report if someone hasn't already.
Well, the OP went up against an F-15. Yes, there are times when the pilot would be on the ball and see a bandit sneak up on him but even the best pilots can get caught off guard.

Also, the F-15 probably didn't react until the missile was fired which kind of says that the logic could use a bit of tweaking.

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I don't know much about the F-15C, but it has no MWS like even the A-10C has?

 

It does i think. EWR ? but only picks up radar missiles and such( mav also).

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I've done head on shots with ERs against F-15s and the AI didn't do anything other than deploy air brakes. Usually a rear aspect shot won't alert the AI to any inbound missile either.

 

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No it does not. It has a TEWS which includes a RWR but no MWS so it cannot pick up missile launches unless they were radar guided and fired at the F-15.

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