How dead is this?

[NineLine]

Yes, and one can stick their hand in the blender and push "Puree"; doesn't mean it's a bright idea. :)

 

I am in no position to say if its a good idea... just that its possible :)

[lunaticfringe]

Sure. Yet, should we also not advocate for what will be best long term for the simulation as a whole?

[NineLine]

Sure. Yet, should we also not advocate for what will be best long term for the simulation as a whole?

 

I am not going to judge what I dont fully understand... I cant assume that someone outside of ED couldnt write a ground radar, and work with ED to integrate it... too many factors to consider.

 

All I am saying is that someone could write their own Ground Radar :)

[Paganus]

I'm pretty sure they said the 15E is on hold and that the Mirage was now at the top of the production list.

 

Pellentesque a mortuis equitum

[Chernaren Refugee]

Sorry, but developing a module for FSX has ZERO bearing on their ability to develop a DCS quality module for DCS World..

 

Very simple Apples to really complicated oranges...

:music_whistling:

 

AGREED! Really hate when people try to compare realistic simulations to F$X.

[Sceptre]

They said that the Mirage 2000 is their priority right now, and then maybe the T-2. So I wouldn't expect a Strike Eagle very soon.

[tsumikae]

AGREED! Really hate when people try to compare realistic simulations to F$X.

 

Hate it all you want, but FSX IS a simulator. A casual, simplified one, but still a simulator. Some FC3 planes are not much better on the "realistic simulation" scale, btw.

[GodsPrototype]

Bah ...

had great hopes in this addition but there is nothing happening since i-don't-know-when that I have start to accommodate with the feeling of "there will be no F-15E ever" - to bad, was my favorite.

 

Any other sim that has a nice F-15E to fly except Janes?

 

I realize you posted this a while ago, but I do think Metal2Mesh has a pretty good F-15E for Flight Simulator X, although I'm not a big fan of FSX for combat simulation.

[jubus]

Hate it all you want, but FSX IS a simulator. A casual, simplified one, but still a simulator. Some FC3 planes are not much better on the "realistic simulation" scale, btw.

 

You guys are mixing up microsoft flight and fsx. While the flight model in fsx isn't anything more than "plane on rails", most things that are important in commercial flight, such as ATC, is top notch. With a couple of mods and a payware plane (just like in dcs world) you can get a very deep flight experience. Just leaving this here

[Darkwolf]

Well, both are great simulators with their pros and cons - You may want to stay on that note and don't compare too much - moderators never sleeps :P

[blackgold]

FSX can be made to be very realistic, the interface is pretty open. The reputation of bad physics is really because of eye candy developers who make a pretty model and just submit it to FSX default flight code. Check out a2a, pmdg, to name two, that extensively use their own code. I recall a2a saying more than 50% of the simulation was offloaded from FSX into their own proprietary code. That said FSX is dated and flawed in many ways. Being 32 bit is a real setback.

[evanf117]

not dead any more

[GrapeFruiT]

You are really sure? Even on the razbams website, is nothing updated and no news. Except facebook and social media files with screenshots are available, but on the companies website, no further progress....since over a year. 

At the moment even their "HP" is not available:

https://razbamsimulations.com/index.php/dcs/f-15e-project

Edited October 13, 2021 by GrapeFruiT

[Versor]

I believe ED should moved the project to someone else. After so many years of waiting for such a desirable module, it should have happened a long time ago.

[Tank50us]

4 hours ago, Versor said:

I believe ED should moved the project to someone else. After so many years of waiting for such a desirable module, it should have happened a long time ago.

oh yee of little faith.

[FoxOne007]

9 hours ago, GrapeFruiT said:

You are really sure? Even on the razbams website, is nothing updated and no news. Except facebook and social media files with screenshots are available, but on the companies website, no further progress....since over a year. 

At the moment even their "HP" is not available:

https://razbamsimulations.com/index.php/dcs/f-15e-project

 

Well their website is being overhauled, that’s why it’s down. As for updated you’re wrong, please see this thread: 

 

8 hours ago, Versor said:

I believe ED should moved the project to someone else. After so many years of waiting for such a desirable module, it should have happened a long time ago.

You clearly have no clue about module development. I suggest you educate yourself on that first before making unfounded comments

[Versor]

10 minutes ago, FoxOne007 said:

Well their website is being overhauled, that’s why it’s down. As for updated you’re wrong, please see this thread: 

 

You clearly have no clue about module development. I suggest you educate yourself on that first before making unfounded comments

Of course that i have no clue about module development. I know one think for sure - that is a lot of work. But if someone trying 10 years maybe someone else could help. Just like True Grit and Heatblur with Typhoon. And please stop telling me what i should to do ok? I'm waiting for this module just like you with crossed fingers.

Edited October 13, 2021 by Versor

[FoxOne007]

1 hour ago, Versor said:

Of course that i have no clue about module development. I know one think for sure - that is a lot of work. But if someone trying 10 years maybe someone else could help. Just like True Grit and Heatblur with Typhoon. And please stop telling me what i should to do ok? I'm waiting for this module just like you with crossed fingers.

 

The reason it was paused for a lot of those 10 years was the lack of an AG radar, which is a key part of the F-15E, so instead of releasing it back then with hacky or missing major features they opted to wait until ED made the AG Radar API last year. and by now a lot of the 3D stuff and other tech has also had MAJOR upgrades compared to 10 years ago. There is no point at looking back for 10 years, it's not at all relevant for today anymore

[Rick50]

 

As outsiders trying to look through a crack in the window, we don't really know the real dev status until a team member actually tells us/shows us, and even then they have to usually be vague to not "overpromise under deliver" be it on features or arrival time. 

I also think that dev teams are now realising that "building buzz" a year or more before release, has a lot of negatives and very little in the way of positive benefits. Maybe it's possible Raz isn't that far off of an EA, but is staying quiet for now for "reasons". 

 

[Versor]

7 hours ago, FoxOne007 said:

The reason it was paused for a lot of those 10 years was the lack of an AG radar, which is a key part of the F-15E, so instead of releasing it back then with hacky or missing major features they opted to wait until ED made the AG Radar API last year. and by now a lot of the 3D stuff and other tech has also had MAJOR upgrades compared to 10 years ago. There is no point at looking back for 10 years, it's not at all relevant for today anymore

Deca Ironwork did not wait, they did it themselves for JF-17 couple of years ago.

[FoxOne007]

1 hour ago, Versor said:

Deca Ironwork did not wait, they did it themselves for JF-17 couple of years ago.

They did and it was terrible, had horrible performance and wasn’t very accurate. They have now adopted ED’s API which has been a big improvement. Also 1,5 years ago DCS was in a very different state compared to 10 years ago

[TLTeo]

Yea a better example would be either the Viggen (which always worked pretty well), or the community A-4 (which is fine but required major updates recently to bring it up to par). The issue with that is that none of those radars have EXP modes (which is the whole selling point of the SE's radar for a2g), and even Deka haven't implemented that yet.

But more importantly, we all complained, very loudly at that, that module developers and RB especially should stop releasing EA modules with half baked features that remain a mess for years, and that then get neglected when the next new module comes up. RB got that feedback and basically stopped developing any other module until their current ones were considered complete - which, again, we all commended. Of course that's going to delay a massive, flagship-level product for years, especially with RB's habit of teasing things extremely early on in development.

[FoxOne007]

4 hours ago, TLTeo said:

Yea a better example would be either the Viggen (which always worked pretty well), or the community A-4 (which is fine but required major updates recently to bring it up to par). The issue with that is that none of those radars have EXP modes (which is the whole selling point of the SE's radar for a2g), and even Deka haven't implemented that yet.

But more importantly, we all complained, very loudly at that, that module developers and RB especially should stop releasing EA modules with half baked features that remain a mess for years, and that then get neglected when the next new module comes up. RB got that feedback and basically stopped developing any other module until their current ones were considered complete - which, again, we all commended. Of course that's going to delay a massive, flagship-level product for years, especially with RB's habit of teasing things extremely early on in development.

Well said, you hit the nail right on the head. I would rather have it be another year before they release it if that means we will get a proper module on release and not a hot mess like the F-16C was

[BIGNEWY]

33 minutes ago, FoxOne007 said:

Well said, you hit the nail right on the head. I would rather have it be another year before they release it if that means we will get a proper module on release and not a hot mess like the F-16C was

we are well aware of the issues with the F-16 Launch but convenient that you ignore that module launches since then. Please try to remember we have learned from our mistake. 

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