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  1. 1. F-4 Phantom Who Wants it Poll

    • YES. THE MIG-21 NEEDS ITS RIVAL
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    • YES. Because I just want the Phantom
      718
    • No, I don't like cool planes
      78
    • No, I love the myriad of lame trainers and far flung planes with no historical opposition.
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Ok, thx! That clears things up! Though I still think the MiG-19p (could only get info on S) would out-turn the F-4's, with it's better wing-loading (325 kg/m2 MiG-19S/383 kg/m2 F-4E) and the same thrust-weight ratio (0.86 both).


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How about a F-4 Phantom with this skin......Enjoy...Enjoy and Enjoy...

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Ok, thx! That clears things up! Though I still think the MiG-19p (could only get info on S) would out-turn the F-4's, with it's better wing-loading (325 kg/m2 MiG-19S/383 kg/m2 F-4E) and the same thrust-weight ratio (0.86 both).

Rather surprised here that the Mig-19P had the same TWR as the MiG-19...Interesting!

 

How about a F-4 Phantom with this skin......Enjoy...Enjoy and Enjoy...

 

I really like the way you think ;)

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Just imagine an F4 with AN/ALQ-131 ECM pods and AIM-7F or M in DCS like the EJ Kai... even if it doesn't get a TGP I'd be in love.


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Rather surprised here that the Mig-19P had the same TWR as the MiG-19...Interesting!

 

 

 

I really like the way you think ;)

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Just imagine an F4 with AN/ALQ-131 ECM pods and AIM-7F or M in DCS like the EJ Kai... even if it doesn't get a TGP I'd be in love.

 

 

 

 

Thanks...... i think my comments help somehow....so i think you should have a community team to make just skins...look at another one....

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Rather surprised here that the Mig-19P had the same TWR as the MiG-19...Interesting!

Well, the MiG-19 weighed only 8,662 kg at MTOW. The F-4 on the other hand 28,030 kg, at MTOW. That's roughly 3,4 times more than the MiG-19. So the relatively weak 63,6 kN output of both Tumansky RD-9B combined in AB got compensated for in weight.

 

And because of the low weight, and the relatively small wings (compared to the F-4) still achieved a better wing-loading. So the MiG-19 should be able to beat the F-4 in close quarters no problem.

 

So in this kind of scenario the only hope of the F-4 is to keep range and engage at BVR. Which should be easy if not sneaked up upon, because the F-4 (2,370 km/h top speed) could out-speed the MiG-19 (1,452 km/h top speed) by 0.875 Mach.:thumbup:


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IF not sneaked up on, not "in". Ma' grammar! >:[

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Well, the MiG-19 weighed only 8,662 kg at MTOW. The F-4 on the other hand 28,030 kg, at MTOW. That's roughly 3,4 times more than the MiG-19. So the relatively weak 63,6 kN output of both Tumansky RD-9B combined in AB got compensated for in weight.

 

And because of the low weight, and the relatively small wings (compared to the F-4) still achieved a better wing-loading. So the MiG-19 should be able to beat the F-4 in close quarters no problem.

 

So in this kind of scenario the only hope of the F-4 is to keep range and engage at BVR. Which should be easy if not sneaked up upon, because the F-4 (2,370 km/h top speed) could out-speed the MiG-19 (1,452 km/h top speed) by 0.875 Mach.:thumbup:

 

depends which close quarters. In horizontal maneuvers yes, In vertical not so much. since the F4 can out energy the MIg 19 and even the 21.


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Rather surprised here that the Mig-19P had the same TWR as the MiG-19...Interesting!

 

 

 

I really like the way you think ;)

McDonnell_Douglas_%28Mitsubishi%29_F-4EJ_Kai_Phantom_II%2C_Japan_-_Air_Force_AN2289664.jpg

 

Just imagine an F4 with AN/ALQ-131 ECM pods and AIM-7F or M in DCS like the EJ Kai... even if it doesn't get a TGP I'd be in love.

 

=an USAF flown F-4E from late 70s to 80's period would get those too.


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While I wait for the DCS one, the BMS one is getting a make-over for the Hellas campaign with a second 3D cockpit (first one was actually not bad, but it could use some HD love).

 

 

Radium might make an F-4EJ Kai cockpit, but it's not clear if it's being worked on. For now it's just a new model for the AUP, Terminator and perhaps the Kurnass.

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Radium might make an F-4EJ Kai cockpit, but it's not clear if it's being worked on. For now it's just a new model for the AUP, Terminator and perhaps the Kurnass.

 

I'll be happy with a new skin, the old one is very very dated even by BMS standards.

I'm extra happy because it will look much better for video making and stuff for my channel.

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One of my favourite jets. Please, Magnitude 3, make it happen :)

 

At the moment we have only 7 Third Party Developers (8 if I count Poly-Dynamics)

Each company can do that.

The great question is, Which one? No need to be one specific.

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At the moment we have only 7 Third Party Developers (8 if I count Poly-Dynamics)

Each company can do that.

The great question is, Which one? No need to be one specific.

 

Look in which subforum you are writing.

This thread inherently is asking the F-4 to M3/LN.

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I know, that under these circumstances it is going to be what you are "cooking" first. But can't we say F-4 second?

 

Getting my silliness aside, please! But if what you are cooking is the F-4... Oh boy are we in for a treat this year (hopefully...)!

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If anyone has been cooking an F4 I doubt it'll come out this year, as we probably would have heard SOMETHING about it by now.

One can hope...

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That would be really nice.

 

Oh man,That´s my dream too...

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