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Old 06-23-2019, 02:52 AM   #1
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Default The real world Mig-29 requires full aftter stick as flare, Why ?

Does anyone know ?
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Old 06-23-2019, 03:14 AM   #2
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That's new to me. What makes you believe that the real MiG-29 requires full aft stick for the flare?
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Old 06-23-2019, 03:29 AM   #3
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Off top of my head in the videos I've seen... no, it doesn't. But see, when you make a vague claim, more of a vague phrase, it's kind of hard to take you seriously.
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Old 06-23-2019, 03:37 AM   #4
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The real world flight manual its written.
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Where? Looking at the various MiG-29 landing videos I've not seen a single landing where the pilots applies full aft stick during the flare.

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Does anyone know ?
I don't know why and I don't know if it does in fact need full aft stick. But do you mean like this video? Not saying this is full aft stick, just trying to understand your point.

Both video are set up for time, just hit play



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Especially on the 2nd video it's clearly visible that he applies full aft stick well after touchdown.
This can be noticed much better when looking at MiG-29 landings from the outside view.
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Increase drag to help the aircraft slowing down maybe?
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Old 06-23-2019, 11:15 AM   #9
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From "Pilot Technique and Aerial Navigation for the MiG-29 Aircraft (2nd edition, revised and supplemented)": From a height of 10 ... 8 m (depending on the vertical rate of descent) begin leveling off, reducing the descent glide angle so as to bring the plane to the ground (stop the descent) at a height of o.8 ... 0.5 m. With a further reduction of speed bringing the plane to the ground, it is right to move the throttle to the IDLE position. Commensurate with the approach of the aircraft to the runway moving (pulling) the control stick toward yourself will establish the aircraft in landing position. The movement of the control stick in the process of leveling is significant: from neutral to almost completely "into yourself."

The aircraft will land softly at a speed of 260...250 km/h with a landing angle of attack of about 11°.


I often settle to the runway with the stick almost all the way back on the occasions I land smoothly assuming my airspeed isn’t to fast. What’s written above is what makes me wonder if the “reverse ground effect” we talk about should be there. This counteracts it.

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Increase drag to help the aircraft slowing down maybe?
Exactly why it’s done there. Helps in slowing it down.
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What’s written above is what makes me wonder if the “reverse ground effect” we talk about should be there. This counteracts it.
Great info concerning the handling , but 'almost' doesn't equal 'full'.
Concerning the ground effect; If there's no AoA change then is must be something else.
As mentioned before, the pitch down moment might be the effect of the altered stabilizer downwash.
Have to re-test but AFAIR the pitch down occurs way too early/high for this effect to be the reason.

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