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Old 12-15-2015, 12:38 PM   #21
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i somwhere heard, they arent able to hoover long, and its more like a slow descent. Engines runing over 100% and they also need tons of water for the engine to cool it down in hoover mode. And they arent able to take off 100% verticaly like a chopper

is that true?
The answer is... it depends

They are able to hover and take off vertically, but this is dependant on weight.

For example the maximum vertical take off weight is about 21,000lb, the empty weight of the Harrier (2/av8b) is about 14,000lb , which leave 7,000lb split between fuel and weapons, so it either will not be able to go very far or carry many weapons.

For a rolling take off the max weight goes upto 31,000lb a big difference, which is why they normally employ a rolling take off and vertical landing.

As for the water again it depends, the Mk105 and Mk107 Pegasus doesn't need to have water injection to maintain a hover, but it helps at certain atmospheric temps to improve engine performance/life.
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Old 12-15-2015, 12:50 PM   #22
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The answer is... it depends

They are able to hover and take off vertically, but this is dependant on weight.

For example the maximum vertical take off weight is about 21,000lb, the empty weight of the Harrier (2/av8b) is about 14,000lb , which leave 7,000lb split between fuel and weapons, so it either will not be able to go very far or carry many weapons.

For a rolling take off the max weight goes upto 31,000lb a big difference, which is why they normally employ a rolling take off and vertical landing.

As for the water again it depends, the Mk105 and Mk107 Pegasus doesn't need to have water injection to maintain a hover, but it helps at certain atmospheric temps to improve engine performance/life.

thank you for that reply. Now i want AV-8B more then ever^^

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This guy has a Harrier as a civil guy^^
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Old 12-15-2015, 11:45 PM   #23
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The Harrier would be day one easily, I'd take it over anything in development right now. With a close runner up being the F/A-18.

Specially if it's the Av-8B but any of them would be nice.
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Old 12-22-2015, 05:13 PM   #24
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The Brit GR.7 would be great and probably easier to do than a radar equipped Boeing version. It would be nice to use hides as well and be fairly near the front line to. Better not hovver for more than 90 seconds though, or try vl' ing with stores aboard on a hot day
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Old 12-25-2015, 05:24 PM   #25
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I was watching a great documentary about the Harrier development on YT - very good film. I downloaded it a while ago, so don't have the link - but I'll look for it.

Found it:

https://youtu.be/WxzpKtbNKQ0

There are a few around.

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Old 12-26-2015, 02:32 AM   #26
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razbam harrier in fsx looks amazing..
mind will be blown on dcs version...
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I may be alone with this,but would we be able to get the 2 seater versions?
I understand ED want everything working - I get that, but I just like the look of most of the 2 sweaters, F-18, Harrier etc. I would have thought as an airframe, not too much of a stretch. Perhaps if we got the F-15E then we could have one of the guru,s sort navigator seats for the other ,Ex RAF we still call the back seat guy the Nav.
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love the razbam in p3d v3

need it for dcs now
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I may be alone with this,but would we be able to get the 2 seater versions?
I understand ED want everything working - I get that, but I just like the look of most of the 2 sweaters, F-18, Harrier etc. I would have thought as an airframe, not too much of a stretch. Perhaps if we got the F-15E then we could have one of the guru,s sort navigator seats for the other ,Ex RAF we still call the back seat guy the Nav.
A Harrier T10 or T12 would be rather useful in showing others how to fly the thing... plus they have all their pylons so could also be used as an honest to goodness combat aircraft in a pinch. both versions are directly related to the GR7 and GR9 respectively so if RAZBAM do a DCS GR7/9 they will have a good start to the systems and weapons modeling from the very beginning. Flight model and aircraft model will of course have to change plus the addition of two seat capability. That being said, I honestly doubt they will do a two seat Harrier for financial reasons. It would be a risky proposition to do a separate module with almost the same capabilities as an existing module.
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