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Old 06-27-2015, 03:59 PM   #1
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Exclamation Forum Guidelines for Warnings and Suspension of Posting Privileges

In an effort to be more transparent and consistent in how forum warnings and posting suspensions are issued, we are starting new guidelines today. We hope that this will remove any mystery on this subject.

These new guidelines are a work-in-progress and we will tune them based member feedback and how they work in practice.

Most of all, we want them to be fair, clear and accountable.

When a warning is given, a note (including a quote of offending post when necessary) from a moderator will be made via the warning system. If you have not already, please read the Warning System FAQ here: http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=144189

For users with warnings that do not match the new guidelines, they can contact a moderator and we will adjust the warning level to match the new guidelines. Many users have had their posting privileges reinstated on our forums in the last two days.

Forum Warning Guidelines

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• Most warnings expire after 3 months.
• Permanent removal of posting privileges are only given out by Eagle Dynamics staff.

Warning levels
• Lvl 1. 10 percent (expires in 3 months)
• Lvl 2. 20 percent (expires in 3 months)
• Lvl 3. 30 percent (expires in 3 months)
• Lvl 4. Permanent 40 percent
• Lvl 5. Permanent removal of posting privileges (by Eagle Dynamics staff)

Lvl 1. – 10 percent warning (expires in 3 months):
• Sustained pattern of off-topic posts or an off-topic post in an area were it has been explicitly stated that off-topic or discussions will not be allowed.
• Discussion of administrative actions against forum members. See Warning System FAQ here: http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=144189
• Signature that does not meet forum rules: http://forums.eagle.ru/rules.php#en
• Reviews and discussion of other flight simulation games. News items are only permitted. This is a company website, not a general gaming website.

Lvl 2. – 20 percent warning (expires in 3 months):
• Using vulgar words/nicks/signature
• Multiplayer disputes
• Sexual content

Lvl 3. – 30 percent warning (expires in 3 months):
• Undermining forum moderation with duplicate posts, re-starting closed or removed threads, and creating alias (sock puppet) accounts (creation of second alias account will lead to 1 year ban on original account)
• Political and religious comments accounts
• First instance of module trading or selling
• Illegal / unauthorized links to copyrighted content
• 1.10 First offense (this warning will expire in 12 months though)


Lvl 4. – 40 percent permanent warning (no expiration).
• Two or more instances of module trading or selling
• Attacks on Eagle Dynamics staff, other forum members or moderators
• Product feedback that is abusive, insulting or condescending. However, critical feedback that is mature, truthful and reasonable is welcome
• Posting of online cheating and exploit methods
• Posting links to phishing/scam pages
• Pornographic content
• Racist comments
• EULA violations

Lvl 5. – Immediate and permanent removal of posting privileges
• Bot advertising
• Links to or advocating piracy
• Alias accounts of members that have had their posting privileges suspended for a proxy accounts (original account will be suspended for 1 year)

In cases of threats of violence and other extreme behavior, an immediate 100% warning, one year suspension will be issued.

Removal of posting privileges actions:
• 20% Total Warning Level: posting privileges revoked for 1 day
• 30% Total Warning Level: posting privileges revoked for 1 week
• 40% Total Warning Level: posting privileges revoked for 1 month.
Each warning over 40% adds another month.

A 100 percent warning level will result in removal of posting privileges for one year.


If posting privileges are suspended, product support is still provided with the Support Ticket system.
http://www.digitalcombatsimulator.com/en/support/

Note 1: Off topic posts that seek to hijack a thread will either be removed, moved, or merged.
Note 2: Thread titles that are hyperbolic and/or do not reflect the body of the post will be edited by the moderation staff.
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Old 06-27-2015, 04:27 PM   #2
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Minor and major vulgar words and bad language? Three categories?

Minor spamminig?

Minor and major inappropriate conduct?

Details on these various levels of bad language, spamming, conduct, etc. need to be spelled out.

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The post a user is warned about needs to be referenced and quoted in the warning. If the post was deleted and a warning was issued then the user has no way of knowing what post, or content therein, caused the warning.
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Old 06-27-2015, 04:43 PM   #3
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Details on these various levels of bad language, spamming, conduct, etc. need to be spelled out.
On one hand they are basically all against the rules, so I assume they aren't desired on the forum no matter the severity. Looking at it this way, what is most important to be made clear is the minimum offense.

On the other hand, when it comes to disputing infraction points, having all the levels well defined is necessary, but it could also lead to people "aiming" for infractions they can get away with without getting too harshly punished.



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The post a user is warned about needs to be referenced and quoted in the warning. If the post was deleted and a warning was issued then the user has no way of knowing what post, or content therein, caused the warning.
I agree.
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Old 06-27-2015, 04:58 PM   #4
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• Links to copyrighted content

• Link to or advocating of piracy
Might be redundant.

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• Advertising other games or products
What's advertising and what is not? "Hey guys, new game is out, anyone plays it?" is allowed or not?

This is somewhat confusing:

- Somebody makes thread for ArmA, locked because it doesn't belong here.
- FSX, lock, doesn't belong here.
- There is also Kerbal Space Program thread, which is fine, even though it does not belong here just like FSX. Or does it? What about Assetto Corsa or threads discussing many other games?
- We do have pinned "(news only)" threads for many games though... if I post there, am I not advertising other products? Or maybe it's allowed in those threads but then...
- If I make a new thread about a game, who decides if it'll get locked because it does not belong here? Or if it's OK and we can have a discussion? Or if it's OK but only for news? Or if I should get banned?
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Old 06-27-2015, 05:00 PM   #5
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The post a user is warned about needs to be referenced and quoted in the warning. If the post was deleted and a warning was issued then the user has no way of knowing what post, or content therein, caused the warning.
I think we are limited by characters in the warning box, but as always if a quote isnt provided, email someone on the Mod team if you need clarification.
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Old 06-27-2015, 05:06 PM   #6
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Might be redundant.
Copyrighted materal could be a PDF of a book someone found online, some document that shouldnt be posted on the forums as they dont have rights to do so, or it was copied without the owners knowledge.

Advocating piracy is providing links to cracks, or install files, or links on how to get around protected software etc...

so they are similar, but not the same.

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What's advertising and what is not? "Hey guys, new game is out, anyone plays it?" is allowed or not?

This is somewhat confusing:

- Somebody makes thread for ArmA, locked because it doesn't belong here.
- FSX, lock, doesn't belong here.
- There is also Kerbal Space Program thread, which is fine, even though it does not belong here just like FSX. Or does it? What about Assetto Corsa or threads discussing many other games?
- We do have pinned "(news only)" threads for many games though... if I post there, am I not advertising other products? Or maybe it's allowed in those threads but then...
- If I make a new thread about a game, who decides if it'll get locked because it does not belong here? Or if it's OK and we can have a discussion? Or if it's OK but only for news? Or if I should get banned?

The problem with discussing other games is many times they result in people here trashing other developers. That, believe it or not, is the biggest reason they dont want other games discussed here. They dont want to have to be asked by another dev why they allow people to trash their software on their boards as it has no relavance to ED.

News and such is fine, announcing a new game and showing updates it are fine, but getting into troubleshooting (which I hope people understand really has no place here) tips and tricks, and reviews just cant happen here.

Word Advertising has been removed, I agree its a little confusing.
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The accumulated number of points determines the "level" and thus the punishment, I understand that. But is it really intentional that the listed violations have a fixed minimum point penalty assigned to it?

Example (lvl 2): are mods forced to give at least 11 points for a slipped vulgar word (i.e. describing feces - something that, i'd bet, everyone is guilty of irl on occassion ;o) ... and thus resulting in an insta-1-day ban?
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The accumulated number of points determines the "level" and thus the punishment, I understand that. But is it really intentional that the listed violations have a fixed minimum point penalty assigned to it?

Example (lvl 2): are mods forced to give at least 11 points for a slipped vulgar word (i.e. describing feces - something that, i'd bet, everyone is guilty of irl on occassion ;o) ... and thus resulting in an insta-1-day ban?
So tell me how you accidentally type in a vulgar word? Re-read your post before hitting submit. You know what is right and what is wrong. If you have any doubts, PM a mod team member before using that word.
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So tell me how you accidentally type in a vulgar word? Re-read your post before hitting submit. You know what is right and what is wrong. If you have any doubts, PM a mod team member before using that word.
By not paying the approriate amount of attention. Sometimes you just chat away - we are not writing essays that are proof read by some editor.

But anyhow, that was not really my point - my question remains, is it intentional/did I understand it right that violations have a minimum point penalty assigned? Mods do have some leeway when handing out points, but they are forced to hand out at least that minimum, according to the level of the infraction?
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No I think that is misleading, we can only give warnings in increments of 10... so 10, or 20, 30, etc...
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