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Old 08-17-2018, 10:17 AM   #11
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No aircraft should have the same heat signature at cruise and full burn. That was demonstrated off the bat, and the notion that was not accurate is what met resistance. There is a substantial difference in narrowing the issue down in some way, to saying its a problem with the other air frames being locked too far away.

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even if 11Nm is way beyond the Rmax of your fox 2.

... think so eh?
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Old 08-17-2018, 11:33 AM   #12
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i don't think so, i'm sure.

There's Rmax range on paper, and effective Rmax range (when the missile still has some energy to manoeuver and actually be a threat)
while you may obtain an IR signature at 11Nm, hitting a moving target at this distance with a fox 2 in DCS is a different story.

Anyway, again if there is an issue with the M2KC, i hope Razbam fixes it, so F18 drivers can stop raising the bug flag everytime they get their a$$ walloped in short range by a better dogfighter lmao !
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Old 08-17-2018, 12:16 PM   #13
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Defensively maneuvering target, yes. Far outside. But this is called RNE. Straight and level is Rmax.

Check the last two tracks posted on the bug thread. Killing the poor SU-27 with 18nm shots. Head on against a defensive target, RNE, would be about 5-6nm. This is actually important here. Because the Mirage is immune down to 3.5nm, while others can be engaged out to RNE or RMAX.

Also, despite the info and repeated tracks, "case closed". Like I said, forumites on that side aren't trying to find or fix an issue.
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Old 08-17-2018, 12:28 PM   #14
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it's not immune at all... other members on f18 get a heat lock on the Mirage past 6 Nm.... so it's their words vs yours.
(can't see for myself, not interested in the F18, too busy flying circles around them)

hope the truth comes out of this, but to be honest, if this bug cannot be reproduced by other members, you'll have a hard time forcing this change i think
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Old 08-18-2018, 06:32 PM   #15
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Following up. Actually found 2 bugs here. One is the Mirage AI flight model is over performing, and can apparently travel at high speed without afterburner. Second is the IR signature is bugged anyway. Tone at 6nm, where it should match Mirage 2000-5, which uses same engine and airframe with different avionics, at 11-12nm.

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Old 08-18-2018, 06:43 PM   #16
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Okay, define high speed, you can go fast with AB, over 1000km/h, for it's high speed. AI is over performing in everything, nothing new. IR signature, I can get a tone on Su-27 which is on the ground starting up, not even idle, just spooling up.
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Old 08-19-2018, 01:13 AM   #17
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AI Mirage clocks in 770-800 knots true with no burner. Super cruise for sure. IR signature on the Mirage is the issue. The 2000C is only giving tone at 6nm from a head on aspect. Its anomalously low range.

F-16 11nm
F-18 12nm
F-15 14nm
Su-27 15-18nm
Mirage 2000-5 11nm
Mirage 2000C 6nm

The signature is nearly half what it should be. And signature strength also plays into countermeasures, flares. Stronger the signal the less often the missile will get spoofed. Lower, the more often flares will defeat it.

The 2000-5 and 2000C should have the same profile. They do not. Mirage forums say, "and thats fine."
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