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Old 12-23-2018, 07:42 PM   #1
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Default So about the 'bar'....

The previous thread was closed on this cliff hanger....



....and having only just picked up the Dora I couldn't help but notice the bar is still there.

Was there ever any official decision about this?
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Old 01-18-2019, 08:28 PM   #2
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Ohhh, the infamous Fw bar, known from the sims of old.

Seriously, please hit the bloody bar and order a stiff one. And while you're downing it, let this stupid whine finally die. /THREAD
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Old 01-19-2019, 04:42 PM   #3
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Oh show me the way to the next FW bar...
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Old 02-25-2019, 10:49 AM   #4
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Ohhh, the infamous Fw bar, known from the sims of old.

Seriously, please hit the bloody bar and order a stiff one. And while you're downing it, let this stupid whine finally die. /THREAD
As long as there is indisputable evidence of its size being too big, I am afraid It won't.
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Old 02-26-2019, 03:37 AM   #5
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They're just modeling the cockpit as accurately as possible. Probably most Germans in it were taller than the DCS default head position so it didn't matter. You can always lean forward a few inches with TrackIR to see over it.

After picking up the Dora9 I consider it a non-issue.
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Old 02-26-2019, 10:58 AM   #6
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They're just modeling the cockpit as accurately as possible. Probably most Germans in it were taller than the DCS default head position so it didn't matter. You can always lean forward a few inches with TrackIR to see over it.

After picking up the Dora9 I consider it a non-issue.


Was probably long before you joined the Forum, was thread where is proved the Current "BAR" is inaccurate, when your half Revi is sitting in the blind Spot with slightes amount of G in Turns, wouldn't call it not a Issue.


Mainly a Problem with the Refraction of the Glas, its hard to simulate this, but running around and saying all good there is no Problem is also not that way it should be.
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Old 02-28-2019, 03:57 AM   #7
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My understanding is (& I posted some photos I'd made to demonstrate it is so in an earlier thread) that the refraction should shift the image down to the bottom of what is currently the bar, but that (because there's no magic involved) you don't somehow get to magically see over the nose for the shot you're after.
If the sight is leading correctly, and it's below the bar as currently modelled, well even if the refraction were modelled, the sight would now be out the bottom of your view.

Like so:


where the left view is the real world, the middle view is where the refraction displaces the image, and the right is how ED have treated it (with the green being the 'bar').
In all cases, your field of view, and the point at which the sight passes out the image are the same...
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Old 02-28-2019, 07:13 AM   #8
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That's not my understanding of refraction. In this video, you see that the horizon stays the same and is not shifted down like in your example but you can see lower (eg from 03:43 where he shifts sideways).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uCGsyjt5ANU

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Old 02-28-2019, 05:19 PM   #9
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Be nice if the refraction could be modelled.

But what's good for the goose is good for the gander. This effect would also need to applied to Spitfire IX, P-51D Mustang and forthcoming modules.
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Old 04-09-2019, 09:27 AM   #10
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From the video it is obvious that the refraction will shift the position of the objects. Just look at the white bar at around 4:34.

My question is, how it would compromise the aiming? The revi is on the inside of the glass, and you aim on a shifted picture presented though the refraction. It sounds like your aiming will be way off.
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