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Old 10-09-2018, 09:22 PM   #31
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I've flown the hornet and that would be considered more input than blowing on the stick, but the aircraft also has a ratio changer that moves depending on flap scheduling giving more or less authority to the H-stabs. The stick should get slightly less sensitive with flaps full in DCS the aircraft flys just as sensitive as if you were doing 300kts with flaps auto. I have curves on my stick ,but the jet flight model should change pitch sensitivity with flap position change that's how the real aircraft does it.
Cool! Is that ratio changer something that would be present on the '18 we have in DCS?


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Old 10-09-2018, 11:47 PM   #32
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So thankas for all the advices.
I made a Video from my Case 1 (and sorry but i dont know how record correctly DCS with VR so the video looks a little bit stupid) and tried to use some of the hints. And hey, i got the 4. wire

What used was:

1. using Airbrakes into the break to drop speed faster.
2. Wait a little bit longer in upwind to have moe time in downwind.
3. use pitch in the break even after dropping flaps and gear. Hold 800ft with pitch and start to trimm to on-speed when my speed is about 150kn. use the height-dropp when going onspeed to reach the 600ft.
I also tweaked my throttle a lot. I change the axis from slider to normals and give it a curvature of 23.

Thanks for all your tipps.

Here is the video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B1zeFN5U1uM
There you go, buddy! Nice work!

So happy that the feedback was useful. Judging from the video, I think it looks nice! You have gotten all the major parts down. Now it's just a matter of repetition, and you'll get it right every time. Try out the CASE 1 trainer, and work your way up to a perfect 140 score!
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Old 10-10-2018, 12:51 AM   #33
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Cool! Is that ratio changer something that would be present on the '18 we have in DCS?


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Yes it has it, forgot to say I was mentioning the legacy.
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Old 10-10-2018, 06:32 AM   #34
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So thankas for all the advices.
I made a Video from my Case 1 (and sorry but i dont know how record correctly DCS with VR so the video looks a little bit stupid) and tried to use some of the hints. And hey, i got the 4. wire
What used was:
1. using Airbrakes into the break to drop speed faster.
2. Wait a little bit longer in upwind to have moe time in downwind.
3. use pitch in the break even after dropping flaps and gear. Hold 800ft with pitch and start to trimm to on-speed when my speed is about 150kn. use the height-dropp when going onspeed to reach the 600ft.
Here is the video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B1zeFN5U1uM
Hard to see on my monitor but you are heavy? Starting out 40k weight?
That would be too heavy, make it 31k (or 34k) or better 15k pretending you returned from a sortie.

It's much easier to trap light.

I also think I see you coming in a tad fast, which would be the result because you're heavy and where you cut the throttle too much for that is dangerous, but in this case lucky because you dropped on the wire.

2cts. (If I saw the numbers wrong, sorry)
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Old 10-10-2018, 09:36 AM   #35
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Hard to see on my monitor but you are heavy? Starting out 40k weight?
That would be too heavy, make it 31k (or 34k) or better 15k pretending you returned from a sortie.

It's much easier to trap light.

I also think I see you coming in a tad fast, which would be the result because you're heavy and where you cut the throttle too much for that is dangerous, but in this case lucky because you dropped on the wire.

2cts. (If I saw the numbers wrong, sorry)
I'm no expert, but I think it looks fine? The fuel indicator says 5000 total (though I appreciate you said you might have seen wrong, and it easy to mistake the "5" for a "9" ), and there's only a centerline tank and wingtip 'winders loaded. That should put him around 32000lb. When crossing the ramp, he's roughly at 137 kts and 690 fpm rate of descent (though it's of course hard to see the details), which is right in the ballpark afaik.

Also really good that you lock your eyes on the ball as you're getting close. Granted your frustration in the first post regarding doing things that doesn't feel natural (i.e for instance looking somewhere else from where you're going!), I'm positively surprised you've already gotten that far! Nice work!
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Old 10-10-2018, 12:40 PM   #36
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I'm no expert, but I think it looks fine? The fuel indicator says 5000 total (though I appreciate you said you might have seen wrong, and it easy to mistake the "5" for a "9" ), and there's only a centerline tank and wingtip 'winders loaded. That should put him around 32000lb. When crossing the ramp, he's roughly at 137 kts and 690 fpm rate of descent (though it's of course hard to see the details), which is right in the ballpark afaik.

Also really good that you lock your eyes on the ball as you're getting close. Granted your frustration in the first post regarding doing things that doesn't feel natural (i.e for instance looking somewhere else from where you're going!), I'm positively surprised you've already gotten that far! Nice work!

yes you're right, well almost, made a screenshot, 3750L/R 7500lbs total, he's OK, just think I saw him cut throttle and drop hard on the wire.
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Old 10-10-2018, 05:52 PM   #37
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It's weird though... After teaching myself the powered approach, landing the Hornet, I am now landing all my planes like that. It doesn't matter if it's the Su-27, the A-10C, the Viggen, etc. In every single one, I now land the exact same way.

I trim until I'm on the correct AoA, then I use power to maintain my glideslope, then gently set them down on the runway when I cross the threshold. The only difference between landing other planes and the Hornet on the carrier, is I cut throttle when crossing the threshold, instead of going mil when landing on the carrier. It just comes naturally to me now.

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Old 10-10-2018, 09:49 PM   #38
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It's weird though... After teaching myself the powered approach, landing the Hornet, I am now landing all my planes like that. It doesn't matter if it's the Su-27, the A-10C, the Viggen, etc. In every single one, I now land the exact same way.

I trim until I'm on the correct AoA, then I use power to maintain my glideslope, then gently set them down on the runway when I cross the threshold. The only difference between landing other planes and the Hornet on the carrier, is I cut throttle when crossing the threshold, instead of going mil when landing on the carrier. It just comes naturally to me now.

What took you so long?
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Old 10-11-2018, 05:07 AM   #39
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All planes act like that when in a landing configuration, depending on which side of the power curve you are. If you fly fast, you on the front side, pitch for altitude, power for speed. If you fly slow, at or below the powercurve, you are on the back side, it is pitch for speed and power for altitude.

Even a little C-172 acts this way, trim pitch for the speed you want and use power for altitude changes desired. I am a current PPL and this is what is taught at all flight schools as basic flight 101.

Alot of folks still die when they got to far behind the power curve during landing in general aviation.

It doesn't matter if you're in a GA aircraft or a jet fighter, don't get behind the power curve for your plane.

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https://www.aopa.org/news-and-media/...he-power-curve

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Old 10-11-2018, 02:44 PM   #40
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I fly sailplanes and we land almost exactly like the Hornet in sim. We pitch to speed and use our dive brake (throttle) to move our point of impact exactly like the Hornet. The only exception is we flare before touchdown.
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