denissoliveira Posted October 25, 2019 Share Posted October 25, 2019 I see that many prefer modern aircraft, the F-5E just the way it is, perfect, being a variation of the early models. Yes, it needs a few updates (code), but wanting to modernize, make it current, that's awesome, everyone wants a rafale, f-35, f-22 on DCS, that's pretty cool, but flying cold war planes is much better, it's not a WWII or a G5, even a G4, or G4 ++ ok, besides it would be flying a computer that makes everything invincible! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DerwischGER Posted October 25, 2019 Share Posted October 25, 2019 Is aerobraking thing this? Starts at 00:37 No! That's nozzlebreaking! :lol: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TLTeo Posted October 25, 2019 Share Posted October 25, 2019 Is aerobraking thing this? Starts at 00:37 I bet the pilot was singing this during that landing: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Dastardly Posted October 26, 2019 Share Posted October 26, 2019 (edited) What would be the benefit of trimming nose up and flying the approach in an out of trim condition? You missed a) the original I was replying to, and b) half my quote, so you missed all the context. Someone was remarking you couldn't aerobrake hands off, and I suggested you could if you trimmed excessively nose up on approach - and then mentioned how I didn't think it was a good idea. I see that many prefer modern aircraft, the F-5E just the way it is, perfect, being a variation of the early models. Yes, it needs a few updates (code), but wanting to modernize, make it current, that's awesome, everyone wants a rafale, f-35, f-22 on DCS, that's pretty cool, but flying cold war planes is much better, it's not a WWII or a G5, even a G4, or G4 ++ ok, besides it would be flying a computer that makes everything invincible! Pretty much. I'd like to see one of the *in-period* variants with slightly more armament to make it a bit more equivalent to the Mig-21 we have, but yes, no Singapore version with amraams thanks. I'd not buy a F-35 either - F-22 perhaps only because it's a bit of a crazy airframe, and I'd be more interested in a Tranche 1 Typhoon ( which is old enough that they're being retired ) than Rafale and that's again because the Typhoon airframe is nuts. Gen 3 planes seem wonderful from a gameplay perspective, I wish there were more - and the complex systems coding is a lot less complex for them. Edited October 26, 2019 by Richard Dastardly Most Wanted: the angry Naval Lynx | Seafire | Buccaneer | Hawker Hunter | Hawker Tempest/Sea Fury | Su-17/22 | rough strip rearming / construction Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbrz Posted October 26, 2019 Share Posted October 26, 2019 In real F-5 landings, the plane is kept on rear wheels for a while for aero-braking. In DCS, no matter how soft you land, how fast or how slow you land, after the main gear touches, the nose wheel "wants to" reach to ground immediately. I am not sure about the FM, but this needs a fix. Currently after the touchdown you need to add some pitch with your stick to keep the nose up, and usually this leads to small oscillation. I don't think that this is wrong. If you look at the various youtube videos youi will see that there actually is aft stick input necessary at touchdown to prevent the nose from dropping. The oscillations are happening IRL as well... i7-7700K 4.2GHz, 16GB, GTX 1070 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nessuno0505 Posted October 26, 2019 Share Posted October 26, 2019 Every new version of the f-5 would be another module. They will ask a fee just to add rwr and two a/a missiles to the ka-50! I want to be clear: it's absolutely fair they ask for a fee: noone works for free. But the point is a glass cockpit or maverick f-5 would be another module, not an upgrade / overhaul. And - be It free or pay - new graphics and fix of old (like Mathusalem!) bugs (rwr above all) would be more than enough for an upgrade... of this module. If we deal with other new f-5 modules, I'm not for them but that's another story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zcrazyx Posted October 27, 2019 Share Posted October 27, 2019 peronally beyond bug squashing for the f5 i dont see a reason for them to touch it, it looks good as is and i dont think its too dated, if however they do touch it, i would suggest making a completely different varient, be it a two seater or otherwise, why? because sure they could do a ka-50 and add a few things here and there but what would be the point? i guess thats okay if you like flying the f5e but it doesnt exactly expand on variety, a two seater, one armed with mavs, or one thats able to air refuel would be a nice refresh of the f5 experiance without making it feel like its too much. that is however my opinion and i understand everyone has their own preferences, tranch 1 typhoon would be sweet though, or a tornado, or a buccaneer with the anti ship missiles, nuclear armament or convention ordanance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Dastardly Posted October 27, 2019 Share Posted October 27, 2019 Only reason I brought up the 4x Sidewinder version was I think I read that it's the version they were originally trying to do in the first place. I'm a bit dubious of the RoI of a paid variant, but we'll have to see with the Ka-50 I guess. Most Wanted: the angry Naval Lynx | Seafire | Buccaneer | Hawker Hunter | Hawker Tempest/Sea Fury | Su-17/22 | rough strip rearming / construction Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
probad Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 the complex systems coding is a lot less complex for them. this may not always be true. in the real world, more "primitive" systems may be simpler to manufacture, but that's because their operative principles rely more on the underlying architecture of nature itself. this architecture does not exist natively inside the computer and needs to be coded for, and so ironically primitive systems can be quite complicated to simulate properly. for example, wood and fabric ww1 aircraft are much more complicated to simulate on the computer than they are to build in reality due to the sheer number of interactions created by their construction methods. im just saying it's a bit callous to assume that building things on the computer is anything like building things in real life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Ifikratis Posted October 29, 2019 Share Posted October 29, 2019 Apart from other upgrades, one that is really necessary to be updated is the central line that separates the aircraft in two sides. | JF-16 Thunder | F-16C Viper | F-14A/B Tomcat | F/A-18C Hornet | AV-8B N/A Harrier II | AJS-37 Viggen | M-2000C | F-5E Tiger II | A-10C Watrhog | F-86F Sabre | MiG-15bis | MiG-19P Farmer | MiG-21bis | FC3 | L-39 Albatros | C-101 Aviojet | SA342 Gazelle | Mi-24P Hind | Mi-8MTV2 | UH-1H Huey | Ka-50 Black Shark | P-51D Mustang | P-47 Thunderbolt | Spitfire LF Mk. IX | Fw 190 A-8 | Fw 190 D-9 Dora | Bf 109 K-4 Kurfurst | Yak-52 | I-16 | Christen Eagle II | Persian Gulf Map | Nevada Test and Training Range | Normandy 1944 | Syria Map | Channel Map | NS 430 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
102nd Albatross Posted November 8, 2019 Share Posted November 8, 2019 Hi guys! Seems that this is a thread used for the F-5E updates... I'd love to see the radar updated and AGM-65 Maverick added... Northrop Grumman Photo of the F-5 below. The DCS version has the V3 159 radar that doesn't have a video for the AGM 65 but I believe it would give the F-5E an extra point here on DCS. https://www.northropgrumman.com/MediaResources/Pages/Photo.aspx?pid%3DTI-10039_017%26rel%3D%2F%26name%3DPhotos [701] Francisco "Maçarico" Rua [701] DCS Portugal Discord: http://discord.gg/SXbBPGB [ALBATROZ] DCS, Onward, Contractors, Elite Dang. Discord: https://discord.gg/VNd4rcf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KennyG Posted November 8, 2019 Share Posted November 8, 2019 Yeah,I think they’re going to keep it simple since they’re not going to make a lot of money on an update Oculus Rift S / Aorus GTX 1080TI / Intel i7 7700k @4.2 GHz / 32GB DDR4 RAM @2400 MHz / TB250-BTC Biostar Motherboard / Thrustmaster HOTAS Warthog PC / Thrustmaster TFRP Pedals / Windows 10 / Western Digital 500GB SSD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terzi Posted November 9, 2019 Share Posted November 9, 2019 See 2:10 in this video: The Turkish F-5s are upgraded with F-16 avionics. They can drop CCIP-CCRP etc. They also have the same ICP panel with F-16. They can launch AMRAAMs and other fancy weapons with improved radar. You can think of them as F-16s in a different airframe. Brazilian versions are even more modern from what I saw here. This is just too complicated inheritance and upgrade story.. Maybe after ED has no more planes or maps to model in 2040s, they will offer upgrade packs for our F-5s :) [CENTER] [/CENTER] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stratos Posted November 9, 2019 Share Posted November 9, 2019 See 2:10 in this video: The Turkish F-5s are upgraded with F-16 avionics. They can drop CCIP-CCRP etc. They also have the same ICP panel with F-16. They can launch AMRAAMs and other fancy weapons with improved radar. You can think of them as F-16s in a different airframe. Brazilian versions are even more modern from what I saw here. This is just too complicated inheritance and upgrade story.. Maybe after ED has no more planes or maps to model in 2040s, they will offer upgrade packs for our F-5s :) Those are F-5A Freedom Fighters, not F-5E Tigers, and no, turkish Tigers cannot use the AMRAAM. I don't understand anything in russian except Davai Davai! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkateZilla Posted November 9, 2019 Share Posted November 9, 2019 See 2:10 in this video: The Turkish F-5s are upgraded with F-16 avionics. They can drop CCIP-CCRP etc. They also have the same ICP panel with F-16. They can launch AMRAAMs and other fancy weapons with improved radar. You can think of them as F-16s in a different airframe. Brazilian versions are even more modern from what I saw here. This is just too complicated inheritance and upgrade story.. Maybe after ED has no more planes or maps to model in 2040s, they will offer upgrade packs for our F-5s :) A panel doesnt mean they are the same, they are no where near an F-16's Capability Avionics wise. Windows 10 Pro, Ryzen 2700X @ 4.6Ghz, 32GB DDR4-3200 GSkill (F4-3200C16D-16GTZR x2), ASRock X470 Taichi Ultimate, XFX RX6800XT Merc 310 (RX-68XTALFD9) 3x ASUS VS248HP + Oculus HMD, Thrustmaster Warthog HOTAS + MFDs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terzi Posted November 9, 2019 Share Posted November 9, 2019 Those are F-5A Freedom Fighters, not F-5E Tigers, and no, turkish Tigers cannot use the AMRAAM. Yes, my bad. They are slightly different in fuselage as well. [CENTER] [/CENTER] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkateZilla Posted November 10, 2019 Share Posted November 10, 2019 Again, likely would be just a graphics update, wouldnt expect any newer systems as the initial problem with documentation still hasnt been resolved afaik Windows 10 Pro, Ryzen 2700X @ 4.6Ghz, 32GB DDR4-3200 GSkill (F4-3200C16D-16GTZR x2), ASRock X470 Taichi Ultimate, XFX RX6800XT Merc 310 (RX-68XTALFD9) 3x ASUS VS248HP + Oculus HMD, Thrustmaster Warthog HOTAS + MFDs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Dastardly Posted November 10, 2019 Share Posted November 10, 2019 this may not always be true. in the real world, more "primitive" systems may be simpler to manufacture, but that's because their operative principles rely more on the underlying architecture of nature itself. this architecture does not exist natively inside the computer and needs to be coded for, and so ironically primitive systems can be quite complicated to simulate properly. for example, wood and fabric ww1 aircraft are much more complicated to simulate on the computer than they are to build in reality due to the sheer number of interactions created by their construction methods. im just saying it's a bit callous to assume that building things on the computer is anything like building things in real life. I spent many years writing software, & some time distilling physics & systems for a few sim DLC. The FM is the same amount of work no matter what the age of the aircraft, the artwork is obviously dependent on the model itself but externally, honestly they're not that different even for large aircraft ( the interior of a large aircraft is another matter ), a piston engine is rather more complex than a turbine to simulate in depth, but the sheer quantity of systems to model on a modern aircraft is *horribly* time-consuming, especially the interactions between them. It's not just creating them all, it's all the debugging work that also scales. Most Wanted: the angry Naval Lynx | Seafire | Buccaneer | Hawker Hunter | Hawker Tempest/Sea Fury | Su-17/22 | rough strip rearming / construction Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stratos Posted November 10, 2019 Share Posted November 10, 2019 This is a launch from a Seasprite chopper, you can asee the display. Should be similar to the F-5 I don't understand anything in russian except Davai Davai! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kev2go Posted November 10, 2019 Share Posted November 10, 2019 (edited) im really glad to hear this from wags. Hoping we get an more authnetic F5E variant(s) to the nation and service(s) being operated by, just as eventually ED remodelled P51D to the P51D25 and D30. By this i mean split into a proper USAF F5E ( No ALR87 or ALE 40) and the other one a Swiss F5E, which would keep the ALR87 RWR ( which is export derivative of ALR 46) and AN/ALE 40 Countermeasures, but require addtion of Digital radios and INS for a proper Swiss representation. An F5N on the other hands are USN buyback Swiss F5E's buyback's but with guns removed. so assuming Swiss manual isn't able to be found F5N manual would be otherwise applicable to develop it due to this fact. Edited November 24, 2019 by Kev2go Build: Windows 10 64 bit Pro Case/Tower: Corsair Graphite 760tm ,Asus Strix Z790 Motherboard, Intel Core i7 12700k ,Corsair Vengeance LPX DDR4 64gb ram (3600 mhz) , (Asus strix oc edition) Nvidia RTX 3080 12gb , Evga g2 850 watt psu, Hardrives ; Samsung 970 EVo, , Samsung evo 860 pro 1 TB SSD, Samsung evo 850 pro 1TB SSD, WD 1TB HDD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dd0 Posted November 19, 2019 Share Posted November 19, 2019 My F-5 wist list, not that I'm awaiting an update but just to put it out there: - ILS (IRF capability) - Tip tanks - Sidewinders on under-wing pylons - Mavericks - 2 freq radio - Oh also an outside air temperature gauge to turn on the anti-ice appropriately. I didn't read the real manual though so I don't know the exact operation. Maybe you don't need it. Preferably no digital stuff because it would ruin that nice time period simple analog aesthetic. Ideally, instead of chasing a very specific version, I think it's best to bring out the most of F-5 while also keeping it classic, that is to say no crazy 4th gen+ upgrades (we have the 18 and the 16 for that). Of course integrating all these different features will also be an entirely new development challenge for the module. Another thing: Is AIM-9X backwards compatible with older models? That could be interesting to play around with. A scenario where a modern day operator of old F-5 gets their hands on x-rays as a quick upgrade of sorts to fight a superior foe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RustBelt Posted November 20, 2019 Share Posted November 20, 2019 Global Security says the 9X is compatible with 9M launch systems. Our F-5 has 9Ps which are derivative's of the J/N so I don't think the F-5 can talk to a Mike or X-ray. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nessuno0505 Posted November 20, 2019 Share Posted November 20, 2019 My F-5 wish list: - Updated textures and 3d model to better work in 2.5, just like for the a-10c Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harlikwin Posted November 20, 2019 Share Posted November 20, 2019 im really glad to hear this from wags. Hoping we get an more authnetic F5E variant(s) to the nation and service(s) being operated by, just as eventually ED remodelled P51D to the P51D25 and D30 That would be nice. I'd like for them to rip out the ALR-87 for an "older" cold war era F5E... Rather than the "swiss model" or give us INS like the swiss model has etc. New hotness: I7 9700k 4.8ghz, 32gb ddr4, 2080ti, :joystick: TM Warthog. TrackIR, HP Reverb (formermly CV1) Old-N-busted: i7 4720HQ ~3.5GHZ, +32GB DDR3 + Nvidia GTX980m (4GB VRAM) :joystick: TM Warthog. TrackIR, Rift CV1 (yes really). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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