Sn8ke Posted May 13, 2018 Share Posted May 13, 2018 I've noticed a significant loss of performance under certain situations in both versions 2.5 and 2.5.1, such as the TGP being turned on, etc. causing FPS tp drop from 60 to 45 with accompanying stutters. This is with both SLI on, and with it off. I'm at sort of a loss due to having a very high-end computer: 8700K @ 5.3ghz, 32GB DDR4, and (1) or (2) 1080Ti's depending if I'm using SLI or not. Sometimes with the TGP or Maverick seeker on, the FPS makes its way back up to 60, until I fly with the sun in view, then it will drop back to 45. I've always been able to manage a solid 60 FPS under any/all circumstances with maxed out setting and even rear view mirrors on. This problem, notably, is with deferred shading both on and off. I'd characterize it as a frequently inconsistent FPS. I've noticed quite a few people posting similar circumstances. Asus ROG Maximus X Apex//Core I7 8700K @ 5.3Ghz //32GB DDR4 RAM//Asus 3090 RTX//4K monitor w/ TrackIR 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KeyCat Posted May 13, 2018 Share Posted May 13, 2018 Holy cow! That's a nice CPU OC you have :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FOXFIRE TWOONE Posted May 13, 2018 Share Posted May 13, 2018 Yea, I have notice a 20 fps drop in both on my rig as well. Intel core I9 10900K 3.7 ghz Asrock Z490 Extreme4 G-SKill Ripjaws V 32GB Cooler Master 120m GTX 980 Superclocked Corsair AX850w psu Samsung 1 T M.2 2 X 850 ssd's Sony 48 in HD TV Trackir 5 Hotas Warthog F/A-18C Hornet Grip Logitech Pro Peddles Windows 10 64 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sn8ke Posted May 14, 2018 Author Share Posted May 14, 2018 Yea, I have notice a 20 fps drop in both on my rig as well. I’m hoping with the update including the F/A-18C comes improvements to performance. Asus ROG Maximus X Apex//Core I7 8700K @ 5.3Ghz //32GB DDR4 RAM//Asus 3090 RTX//4K monitor w/ TrackIR 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Team BIGNEWY Posted May 14, 2018 ED Team Share Posted May 14, 2018 hi Keep an eye on your overclock, is dcs pushing it to hard? do you see any core drop or throttling when DCS is running? If possible add your dcs.log and dxdiag we will take a look thanks Forum rules - DCS Crashing? Try this first - Cleanup and Repair - Discord BIGNEWY#8703 - Youtube - Patch Status Windows 11, NVIDIA MSI RTX 3090, Intel® i9-10900K 3.70GHz, 5.30GHz Turbo, Corsair Hydro Series H150i Pro, 64GB DDR @3200, ASUS ROG Strix Z490-F Gaming, HP Reverb G2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sn8ke Posted May 14, 2018 Author Share Posted May 14, 2018 hi Keep an eye on your overclock, is dcs pushing it to hard? do you see any core drop or throttling when DCS is running? If possible add your dcs.log and dxdiag we will take a look thanks I’ll attach those tonight when I get home. However, I’ve never had issues prior to 2.5 and 2.5.1. My CPU is solid and temps always in the 50c range during high-moderate loads. I’ve noticed several others report similar performance issues. 1.5.8 is solid with consistent 60FPS. Asus ROG Maximus X Apex//Core I7 8700K @ 5.3Ghz //32GB DDR4 RAM//Asus 3090 RTX//4K monitor w/ TrackIR 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Team BIGNEWY Posted May 14, 2018 ED Team Share Posted May 14, 2018 1.5.8 and 2.5 are different beasts all together, 2.5 is and will be more demanding on your system, so it is worth checking the core performance just to rule it out as an issue. Forum rules - DCS Crashing? Try this first - Cleanup and Repair - Discord BIGNEWY#8703 - Youtube - Patch Status Windows 11, NVIDIA MSI RTX 3090, Intel® i9-10900K 3.70GHz, 5.30GHz Turbo, Corsair Hydro Series H150i Pro, 64GB DDR @3200, ASUS ROG Strix Z490-F Gaming, HP Reverb G2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sn8ke Posted May 15, 2018 Author Share Posted May 15, 2018 hi Keep an eye on your overclock, is dcs pushing it to hard? do you see any core drop or throttling when DCS is running? If possible add your dcs.log and dxdiag we will take a look thanks Here you go (Attached).DxDiag.txt Asus ROG Maximus X Apex//Core I7 8700K @ 5.3Ghz //32GB DDR4 RAM//Asus 3090 RTX//4K monitor w/ TrackIR 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Insonia Posted May 15, 2018 Share Posted May 15, 2018 Your spec is beast but why only has 60fps at beginning. My 3.3G cpu and 1070 has better fps than that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sn8ke Posted May 15, 2018 Author Share Posted May 15, 2018 Your spec is beast but why only has 60fps at beginning. My 3.3G cpu and 1070 has better fps than that. My 4k Monitor's refresh rate is 60FPS Asus ROG Maximus X Apex//Core I7 8700K @ 5.3Ghz //32GB DDR4 RAM//Asus 3090 RTX//4K monitor w/ TrackIR 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sn8ke Posted May 15, 2018 Author Share Posted May 15, 2018 hi Keep an eye on your overclock, is dcs pushing it to hard? do you see any core drop or throttling when DCS is running? If possible add your dcs.log and dxdiag we will take a look thanks When I attempt to attach the dcs.log, states *Inavalid file* I attached both to my One Drive: https://1drv.ms/f/s!AmLTEDnJTQBAgaIo4zM9DkyGeVWFPw Asus ROG Maximus X Apex//Core I7 8700K @ 5.3Ghz //32GB DDR4 RAM//Asus 3090 RTX//4K monitor w/ TrackIR 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Insonia Posted May 15, 2018 Share Posted May 15, 2018 with Vsync(or adapt Vsync) on? DCS engine cap the render util up-limit. I have same problem with FPS caper. Try without Vsync. will the TGP-on drops the fps from hundreds to 45 as well? If it works not too bad without sync. Maybe you should try fast sync. It should work better in this situation. I also heard people has problem with SLI. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sn8ke Posted May 15, 2018 Author Share Posted May 15, 2018 with Vsync(or adapt Vsync) on? DCS engine cap the render util up-limit. I have same problem with FPS caper. Try without Vsync. will the TGP-on drops the fps from hundreds to 45 as well? If it works not too bad without sync. Maybe you should try fast sync. It should work better in this situation. I also heard people has problem with SLI. I use G-SYNC Asus ROG Maximus X Apex//Core I7 8700K @ 5.3Ghz //32GB DDR4 RAM//Asus 3090 RTX//4K monitor w/ TrackIR 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davidp57 Posted May 15, 2018 Share Posted May 15, 2018 Do you have "Cockpit Display Res" set to "xxx every frame" ? If so, this is a huge FPS eater Zip - VEAF :pilotfly: If you want to learn, talk and fly with french-speaking friends, the Virtual European Air Force is here for you ! Meet us on our Discord and our forum If you're a mission creator, you may want to check the VEAF Mission Creation Tools (and its GitHub repository) a set of open-source scripts and tools that make creating a dynamic mission a breeze ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief1942 Posted May 15, 2018 Share Posted May 15, 2018 I have a rather old system compared to those that are at the 'cutting edge" today, yet I am not having the issues with performance that these newer systems appear to be experiencing. In all honesty , with my current system I am enjoying both the 2.5.1 in all three theaters. Even in Normandy, even though the FPS are not as high as the FPS that most people seek or demand, my flights are smooth with very rare stutters". I fly single player exclusively. Would like to know what percentage of DCSW users are having such issues as the OP has . Almost seems to be more system related than DCS code. Yes, we are all focusing on the Beta, but then one should expect "bugs" in a Beta and help ED find those "bugs". But, does it seem reasonable that ANY release will work equally well on ALL systems? I think not. Intel i5-4690K Devil's Canyon, GForce TitanX, ASUS Z-97A MB, 16GB GDDR3 GSkill mem, Samsung SSD X3,Track IR, TM Warthog, MFG Crosswind pedals, Acer XB280HK monitor,GAMETRIX KW-908 JETSEAT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JABO2009 Posted May 17, 2018 Share Posted May 17, 2018 Folks, just went from 2.5 release version to 2.5 OB to be "prepared" for the upcoming FA/18 release. What I immediately noticed is that 2.5 OB is giving me troubles again in getting into MP gameplay... To be more clear, the critical part of extremely low FPS/freeze is back when selecting role/airframe on a specific MP server... (with 2.5 stable this issue was all gone) the Sim needs at least 1 min to get fluid again / getting back acceptable FPS in the 40 to 65 FPS range... any clue for that ? whats the big difference here betwenn 2.5 Stable and 2.5 OB ? I didnt change any settings now with the 2.5 OB .. preload radius is set to approx 50% Intel I7 - 10700 K @ 3,80GHz / 64 GB DDR3 / RTX 3090 / Win 10 Home 64 bit / Logitech X56 HOTAS / HP Reverb G2 Running DCS on latest OB version Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lefty1117 Posted May 21, 2018 Share Posted May 21, 2018 I've pretty much had it with the game at this point until there's another significant release. I've wasted far too many hours the last two weeks fighting with crashes, lag, stutters, you name it. This game used to run like a charm but even since 2.0 performance has steadily declined. Now it's basically unplayable. And not much in the way of acknowledgement or updates from the devs on this. ============================= i7 5820k | 32GB RAM | Nvidia 2070RTX | 1TB SSD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kilo 4-2 Posted May 21, 2018 Share Posted May 21, 2018 I'm leaning towards agreeing with the OP here. 2.5.2 has been pretty terrible performance wise. Sent from my G3223 using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrainFart0 Posted May 21, 2018 Share Posted May 21, 2018 I've wasted more time on messing with graph settings in 2.5/2.5.2 then flying with the HTC Vive. Bought an 1080ti, on VR preset I still got stutters (PD 1.0). (Empty missions) Reinstalled windows, did all the tips&trick found on this forum... nothing helps. DCS is the only thing that my computer doesn't run smooth :huh: Asus Maximus Formula V, i7-2600k, 16gb DDR3 1866mhz, Samsung 840 EVO SSD, Gigabyte GTX 1080TI, HTC VIVE, Windows 7 Ultimate [ i7 8700K@5Ghz (LC) - GTX 1080 TI (LC) - 32GB G.Skill Flare X 3200 - Gigabyte Z370 Aorus Gaming K3 - Samsung 970 PRO NVME SSD - LG 34" Ultra Wide - HTC Vive - Virpil MongoosT-50/WarBRD Base ] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
feefifofum Posted May 21, 2018 Share Posted May 21, 2018 Your processor is most likely the bottleneck in that rig; that's also relatively slow memory these days, both of which DCS leans very heavily on for physics calculations. Open your resource manager while a track is playing in the background and background and see if either are pegged. You may see some improvement as Vulkan is implemented but there is still no firm timeline on that. :dunno: THE GEORGIAN WAR - OFFICIAL F-15C DLC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David OC Posted May 21, 2018 Share Posted May 21, 2018 (edited) I've wasted more time on messing with graph settings in 2.5/2.5.2 then flying with the HTC Vive. Bought an 1080ti, on VR preset I still got stutters (PD 1.0). (Empty missions) Reinstalled windows, did all the tips&trick found on this forum... nothing helps. DCS is the only thing that my computer doesn't run smooth :huh: Asus Maximus Formula V, i7-2600k, 16gb DDR3 1866mhz, Samsung 840 EVO SSD, Gigabyte GTX 1080TI, HTC VIVE, Windows 7 Ultimate Check with MSI afterburner etc I was doing some testing to check the GPU was getting well fed. Everything maxed 2.5 beta, stock clock on GPU, running process lasso set to 4 main cpu cores. As you can see in the pic, they do get used, one way more that others still, you could be hitting the wall feeding that GPU maybe. Your processor is most likely the bottleneck in that rig; that's also relatively slow memory these days, both of which DCS leans very heavily on for physics calculations. Open your resource manager while a track is playing in the background and background and see if either are pegged. You may see some improvement as Vulkan is implemented but there is still no firm timeline on that. Edited May 21, 2018 by David OC i7-7700K OC @ 5Ghz | ASUS IX Hero MB | ASUS GTX 1080 Ti STRIX | 32GB Corsair 3000Mhz | Corsair H100i V2 Radiator | Samsung 960 EVO M.2 NVMe 500G SSD | Samsung 850 EVO 500G SSD | Corsair HX850i Platinum 850W | Oculus Rift | ASUS PG278Q 27-inch, 2560 x 1440, G-SYNC, 144Hz, 1ms | VKB Gunfighter Pro Chuck's DCS Tutorial Library Download PDF Tutorial guides to help get up to speed with aircraft quickly and also great for taking a good look at the aircraft available for DCS before purchasing. Link Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrainFart0 Posted May 21, 2018 Share Posted May 21, 2018 (edited) Check with MSI afterburner etc I was doing some testing to check the GPU was getting well fed. Everything maxed 2.5 beta, stock clock on GPU, running process lasso set to 4 main cpu cores. As you can see in the pic, they do get used, one way more that others still, you could be hitting the wall feeding that GPU maybe. Thanks, I checked and did some short testing.. this is how things look like when flying: Some CPU data while flying (HyperThreading OFF): Time to upgrade ? :huh::unsure: Edited May 21, 2018 by BrainFart0 [ i7 8700K@5Ghz (LC) - GTX 1080 TI (LC) - 32GB G.Skill Flare X 3200 - Gigabyte Z370 Aorus Gaming K3 - Samsung 970 PRO NVME SSD - LG 34" Ultra Wide - HTC Vive - Virpil MongoosT-50/WarBRD Base ] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOKUM52 Posted May 21, 2018 Share Posted May 21, 2018 I've noticed a significant loss of performance under certain situations in both versions 2.5 and 2.5.1, such as the TGP being turned on, etc. causing FPS tp drop from 60 to 45 with accompanying stutters. This is with both SLI on, and with it off. I'm at sort of a loss due to having a very high-end computer: 8700K @ 5.3ghz, 32GB DDR4, and (1) or (2) 1080Ti's depending if I'm using SLI or not. Sometimes with the TGP or Maverick seeker on, the FPS makes its way back up to 60, until I fly with the sun in view, then it will drop back to 45. I've always been able to manage a solid 60 FPS under any/all circumstances with maxed out setting and even rear view mirrors on. This problem, notably, is with deferred shading both on and off. I'd characterize it as a frequently inconsistent FPS. I've noticed quite a few people posting similar circumstances. Hi this really concerns me as im about to buy a new laptop that has almost the same specs - SLI 8th Generation Intel® Core™ i9-8950HK Windows 10 Home 64bit English 32GB DDR4-2666MHz, 2x16GB NVIDIA® GeForce® GTX 1080 OC with 8GB GDDR5X now Im pretty worried its not gonna run the game flawlessly as i would expect especially when i consider how much its costing me. No one seems to have any info on how this core performs. Do you get 60fps on the release version because im not really interested in the beta?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fire_Starter Posted May 21, 2018 Share Posted May 21, 2018 Having the same stutter problem on the A10-C with both TGP and mav on the mfcd's. Started with latest update. Was fine on 2.5. I am tired of this :/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
feefifofum Posted May 21, 2018 Share Posted May 21, 2018 For serious gaming a laptop is always going to be more prone to heat related issues, and more expensive for a less powerful system, and more costly or difficult (or impossible) to upgrade in the future. Unless something absolutely requires you to use a laptop, I would personally recommend against it. THE GEORGIAN WAR - OFFICIAL F-15C DLC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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