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Old 06-22-2018, 06:21 PM   #1
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Default no traps above 33,000 lbs

well according to Lex Talionis, the hook will almost certainly mess up things onboard if youre higher than 33,000 lbs. Can we get that restriction, ED?
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Old 06-22-2018, 06:24 PM   #2
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How would you implement this restriction?

You should restrict yourself from landing above that weight, if you wanna fly realistically.
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I can implement it by self restraint. Also by preventing controls synchronisation 5 miles to the carrier by a trigger zone, preventing hook drop down if GW is implemented as a condition in mission editor once/ownship weight more/less/prevent controls sync, trigger failure of hook above 33,000 lbs, or even prevent gear down using failures above said weight.
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Old 06-22-2018, 06:35 PM   #4
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Preventing controls? How is this a good idea?
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I can implement it by self restraint. Also by preventing controls synchronisation 5 miles to the carrier by a trigger zone, preventing hook drop down if GW is implemented as a condition in mission editor once/ownship weight more/less/prevent controls sync, trigger failure of hook above 33,000 lbs, or even prevent gear down using failures above said weight.



Why we would get this if it ain't working as this in RL? Just do as RL pilot does, as Lex said and as stated in the NATOPS «A1-F18AC-NFM-000.pdf» Make sure you'Re at 33.000 LBS or leff of Fuel, just sim it. If you limit the hook down with those things, people simming the real Hornet Startup procedures will have fun doing their 4-down-check before taking off, since you can take off with 51.900 lbs on carrier and field, which is over the GW of 33,000 lbs needed to trap....

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I can implement it by self restraint. Also by preventing controls synchronisation 5 miles to the carrier by a trigger zone, preventing hook drop down if GW is implemented as a condition in mission editor once/ownship weight more/less/prevent controls sync, trigger failure of hook above 33,000 lbs, or even prevent gear down using failures above said weight.
Well the sensible and realistic way to handle this would be a damage model that includes hook damage. All other things suggested, make zero sense though as they are artificial limitations.
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Old 06-22-2018, 06:49 PM   #7
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What's wrong with dumping fuel prior to entering the pattern??
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Old 06-22-2018, 07:17 PM   #8
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What's wrong with dumping fuel prior to entering the pattern??

dump everything
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Old 06-22-2018, 07:21 PM   #9
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also, keep in mind as per NATOPS 33‘000 lbs is only the MLW unrestricted. The absolute limit (emergencies excluded of course) is 34‘000 lbs and that is what NATOPS calls restricted MLW for CV landings.

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Arrestments above 33,000 pounds are subject to the following restrictions:
(1) Glideslope - 3.5° Maximum (2) Recovery head wind (RHW) -
(a) 40 knots minimum - Half flaps allowed
(b) Less than 40 knots - Full flaps only
(3) Lateral weight asymmetry - 14,500 foot-pound maximum (external pylon stores, AIM-9 wing tips,
and wing fuel)
(4) No MOVLAS recovery

Btw, max landing weight for (flared) field landings is 39‘000 lbs.
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Old 06-22-2018, 07:22 PM   #10
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I think the AOA/hook issues abv 33000 lbs may be enough to keep guys from doing this much.
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