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Old 07-17-2017, 11:16 AM   #131
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They are the same RVV-SD, the only "R-77" in service right now in the VSS in some quantities.

The Astrakhan pics are from a Test and Training center where new weapons are tested in real life conditions with real armed weapons. VVS in 2016 received the RVV-SD in some quantities, more to come, and they where testing it in July 2016. This is why some parts are painted in red. For trials.

But normal operational RVV-SD where used in Syria painted in all white, six months later.
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Old 07-17-2017, 11:30 AM   #132
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The first image made me really appreciate how great DCS graphics really is because you can find same quality in image taken from DCS.

Thanks you Esac for clarifying and great images
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Old 07-17-2017, 12:43 PM   #133
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All credits to Vadim Savitsky. A great photographer.
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Old 07-17-2017, 01:07 PM   #134
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I would love to read any information about how this differs from the original RVV-AE.
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Old 07-17-2017, 01:15 PM   #135
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As far as i know the RVV-AE is an export versión of the former R-77, less capable and with foreign parts and components.

Russia MoD never bought this version and they never equiped any VVS unit in service. The more advance and capable SD is entering service since mid 2016, but only in 2017 is beeing fielded in some quantities.

The VVS still lacks large stocks but the contracts where signed and is a question of time that this stock increases and more VVS units would start using It in normal service.

Take in count that the RVV-AE first training trails in Astrakhan are from July 2016.

This is from Rosobonexport.

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The R-77, RVV-AE designation used for the export market and AA-12 Adder designation used by Western intelligence, is an extended medium range air-to-air missile featuring an active radar seeker to engage multiple airborne targets simultaneously. The RVV-SD, an evolutional development of RVV-AE features an increased maximum range of up to 110 kilometers and can engage fixed- and rotary-wing aircraft as well as cruise missiles and unmanned aerial vehicles (UAVs). The weapon is also suitable for intense clutter and jamming scenarios with multiple air-to-air engagements simultaneously. The RVV-SD guidance system combines the inertial navigation system (INS) and active radar seeker with data-link target correction. It is fitted with a fixed thrust solid fuel rocket motor and laser proximity fuze. The rod type warhead consists of multiple hollow charges. Aircraft catapult launcher AKU-170E is used for suspension. The missile may be adapted for deployment on foreign carriers. This missile, with unique lattice controls, is a modern BVR weapon designed to kill 12G manoeuvring targets, and credited with an A-pole range of 54nm. As the R-77 has AMRAAM-like capabilities, it permits a Flanker to launch multiple rounds and guide these concurrently, engagement geometry permitting. The RVV-SD is a greatly updated and improved model with digital signal processing chips and all round improved performance.The RVV-SD features a heavier motor, which is at least part of what gives it a 35% greater maximum claimed range over the RVV-AE. It also uses a laser proximity fuse in place of the radar fuse of the RVV-AE. According to information released by the company, the missile is 15 kg. (33 lb.) heavier than the basic R-77/RVVAE, weighing 190 kg. rather than 175 kg. Maximum range claimed is increased to 110 from 80 km. (68 from 50 mi.). The missile is also slightly longer at 3.71 meters (12 ft.), rather than the 3.6 meters of the basic variant
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I would imagine that the RVV-SD is part of the intended armament for the PAK-FA when it enters service, and will doubtless be backwards compatible with more advanced versions of the Su-27 platform such as the Su-27SM, Su-30SM, Su-35 etc.

Slightly off topic, I wonder if the VKS intends to replace all their Su-27S with the -SM and -35, with additional squadrons of the PAK-FA? Also slightly surprised that the VKS apparently decided not to purchase a smaller fighter to compliment it such as the "MiG-35", in a similar F-15 / F-16 or Su-27 / MiG-29 mixture.
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Old 07-17-2017, 02:21 PM   #137
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Russian MoD has order contracts for Mig-35
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Ah you're right, apparently they plan to purchase 170 of them with deliveries starting next year. Makes sense.
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I am confuse, people have been arguing about this missile for 10 years here, even on the old website before this one. Why isn't the missile in wide use? (any version of it) Why would it not fly on all aircraft that supposedly use it? (since so many supposedly carry it)
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I've just talked about that.

July 2016 where the first "Life" operational trials of the RVV-SD in Astrakhan combat-training center. Think of this like Lypetsk for new aircraft entering service in the VVS.

Trials and training with new weapons takes time until operational approved steps taken. Also the production rates and deliveries are at relative slow, but steady pace, MoD dixit, and Syria was the first real operational deploy in combat for the RVV-SD.

So is entering service and we are going to see more pics or the missiles fielded more often. Before MoD never bought R-77, neither RVV-AE, so its imposible to see any operational unit with them beyond tests.
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