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Old 08-14-2018, 04:53 PM   #11
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Yes, the rule is meant as a preemptive measure not to have trouble for anyone.
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Old 08-14-2018, 05:29 PM   #12
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Ya, that's all we need is some government getting pissed off and making one of these aerospace company that ED works with clam up and shut their doors to them. ugh!
It has always surprised me how much "unclassified" documentation is floating around out there on the interwebs
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Old 09-16-2018, 09:51 PM   #13
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should be modified allow the mods to have discretion to more specifics with regards to permuting what is posted or not in post 1980 period.

This means you cant even post declassified FM to quite a large list of obselete aircraft, for discussion or even a Bug report ( at least not for general community to see) Even regarding something like an F5E, because even such manuals of such a 70s aircraft been revised post 1980.
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Old 09-16-2018, 09:55 PM   #14
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While I see why this would be a good thing, what is blocking the making of russian aircraft isn't the maneufacturers, it's the Russian governement, which has no interest in making documentation available for anyone under any circumstances.

And you happely fly DCS because of alot of people, who devote alot of time to making solid bug reports, testing things,... If recent documentation is needed, the process will be even slower then it is now and you might have to spam to actually get anything done. While popularity on a bug report shouldn't matter, it definetely does on the ED forums. I remember having to PM bug reports before to get them fixed because nobody was looking at them, you might say that now you'll always PM those kind of bug reports, and you will, and so will everyone else, you've now got a moderator that has alot of bug reports to go throught, some are not bugs, very few are massive bugs, some will be people missunderstanding the manual,... other forum members usually point out if something is wrong in a bug report, but with these ones it won't be possible and the moderator will have to painfully do all this work. To be clear, moderators will also suffer from this rule, more work, boring work. Since the bug reports that require documentation are usually pretty important (hence the documentation, takes time to find it), big functionnalities that are incorrect in the sim, the ones that in my opinion make the difference between a good simulation and a near perfect simulation.

The only difference I think this will make is that the aircrafts simulated will have more of these issues, that might never get fixed, you could have no idea it's an issue because nobody has the manuals or doesn't have the will to report the bug seeing how tidious the process is.
Also the documentation that is used to make a module in DCS, is most likely not available to the public and is given under very specific terms to a developper, this rule doesn't change anything in that regards.
exactly this.
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That was on this forum,


how do you know for sure ? I know the article would imply it, As Im not aware of any other Russian based company apart from Eagle Dynamics that makes flight sims ( at least none that would discuss on forums rb15 missile system) , but they never do directly mention it was eagle dynamics.

did you actually see the Post here on these forums?
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should be modified allow the mods to have discretion to more specifics with regards to permuting what is posted or not in post 1980 period.

This means you cant even post declassified FM to quite a large list of obselete aircraft, for discussion or even a Bug report ( at least not for general community to see) Even regarding something like an F5E, because even such manuals of such a 70s aircraft been revised post 1980.
We don't have the time or the resources to validate every document someone says is ok to post. If you have something that is important to DCS and you really think it needs to be seen, PM a moderator or team member.
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Old 09-17-2018, 10:01 PM   #17
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Nobody is going to risk government ire so us videogame neckbeards can have glitches fixed more quickly. This is a video game, it doesn't have to be perfect, and it's certainly not worth fines or jailtime because community members can't be trusted not to post something they shouldn't.

A lot of the big sims are made in Russia, including Il-2 and War Thunder, btw.

Whether it was here or not is a moot point aside from the trivia aspect. It's a dangerous precedent. As I've mentioned before, people forget while playing this game, that it's accurately modeling (ish) real weapons and warplanes. Data is sometimes shared by government entities and permissions given on a trust basis. Stepping on toes in the national defense sectors is a short trip to a long stay, and if you piss off or compromise one organisation it will negatively affect all of them as you'll be proven 'untrustworthy'.
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Old 09-24-2018, 10:55 AM   #18
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We don't have the time or the resources to validate every document someone says is ok to post. If you have something that is important to DCS and you really think it needs to be seen, PM a moderator or team member.
Someone? You mean like the DOD?


http://www.wingovernmentcontracts.co...tion-codes.htm


Any us document that is classified as distribution level A means its fully declassified and fully accepted for public dissemination.

And the distribution statement level is one of the first things that are visible within the first few pages

Take this excerpt for eg.






There are no legal issues with such documentation being shared or posted even if post 1980 date
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Old 09-24-2018, 10:56 AM   #19
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Nobody is going to risk government ire so us videogame neckbeards can have glitches fixed more quickly. This is a video game, it doesn't have to be perfect, and it's certainly not worth fines or jailtime because community members can't be trusted not to post something they shouldn't.

A lot of the big sims are made in Russia, including Il-2 and War Thunder, btw.


Whether it was here or not is a moot point aside from the trivia aspect. It's a dangerous precedent. As I've mentioned before, people forget while playing this game, that it's accurately modeling (ish) real weapons and warplanes. Data is sometimes shared by government entities and permissions given on a trust basis. Stepping on toes in the national defense sectors is a short trip to a long stay, and if you piss off or compromise one organisation it will negatively affect all of them as you'll be proven 'untrustworthy'.


Maybe if you actually researched and properly analyzed this, you wouldnt be so quick to accept the speil, and become an apologist . This is not case at all as I have shown above.

It's quite a black and white generalization to ban anything pat 1980 just cuse.

Other flight sim developers (which I wont name because " Advertising competing flight sim product" ) don't have such rules and in fact some of them are courteous to share downloadable pdfs of actual documentation such as FM for the real thing.


Not looking at flight sims genre steel beasts developers and from ones contributed from community also have a database compilation of various declassified documentation for downloads, including even Doctrinal guide ( such as the Marines Maneuver warfare circa 2003)

So as such other communities go went a step further by having such resources available for anyone

There could easily be instances of pre 1980 manaul that is shared that is not something that should be posted. But by the logic of the new rule torololol lets post because it's not against forum rule... amirite. (Sarcasm)
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Old 09-24-2018, 04:56 PM   #20
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This is the rule here, it's not going to change right now.
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