Pman Posted May 30, 2014 Share Posted May 30, 2014 Welcome to the Questions and Answers thread for the VEAO Supermarine Spitfire MK XIV. In this thread feel free to ask any questions you have regarding this module and myself and the rest of the VEAO team will do our best to answer them as best we can. To cover a few commonly asked questions from the warbirds thread : • No ETA yet • The Spitfire as with the other modules will be EFM to PFM standards • Full ASM • We will be doing the low back version with clipped wings. If you guys have any questions for us then this is the place for you! I can’t promise that we will answer all of them (usual NDA stuff applies etc etc) but we will certainly try! Keep an eye out for the Eye Candy thread and the Dev Diary not only for this aircraft but for the other warbirds as well! All the best Pman Link to comment
Yob Posted May 31, 2014 Share Posted May 31, 2014 May i ask a humble question Pman... Here she goes. The Spitfire Mk 14 was equipped with 2 types of wings the C and the E. What wing do you plan to have in the Mk 14? 487th Squadron Section Leader Link to comment
LcSummers Posted May 31, 2014 Share Posted May 31, 2014 Look here Quote We will be doing the low back version with clipped wings. I asked this question too Link to comment
Paradox Posted May 31, 2014 Share Posted May 31, 2014 yeah but clipped versions of the C and E wings existed, the difference is internal structure support for different armaments. Link to comment
Pman Posted May 31, 2014 Author Share Posted May 31, 2014 yeah but clipped versions of the C and E wings existed, the difference is internal structure support for different armaments. A final decision has yet to be made on this. The actual structural support is the same just the internal layout is different. It will prob be a E type though. Pman Link to comment
Mr_Burns Posted May 31, 2014 Share Posted May 31, 2014 Is there really still NDA type arrangements for the Spitfire and who owns the IP?? Link to comment
Paradox Posted May 31, 2014 Share Posted May 31, 2014 "Support" in the sense that the E wing "supports" different weapon configurations to the C wing. I don't mean the struts and frames inside the wing. Not wanting to open the high octane and balance can of worms; which fuel will be implemented for the Griffon 61 engine? Or to phrase it another way, what will the maximum manifold pressure be? Link to comment
Pman Posted May 31, 2014 Author Share Posted May 31, 2014 "Support" in the sense that the E wing "supports" different weapon configurations to the C wing. I don't mean the struts and frames inside the wing. Not wanting to open the high octane and balance can of worms; which fuel will be implemented for the Griffon 61 engine? Or to phrase it another way, what will the maximum manifold pressure be? That has yet to be written yet but it will be periodical Pman Link to comment
Pman Posted May 31, 2014 Author Share Posted May 31, 2014 Is there really still NDA type arrangements for the Spitfire and who owns the IP?? The NDA doesnt necessarily apply to Supermarine, we have things we have to consider as does every 3rd party Pman Link to comment
Mogster Posted June 1, 2014 Share Posted June 1, 2014 Clipped wings variant? Why? :cry: At the very least can't we have both? Link to comment
Paradox Posted June 1, 2014 Share Posted June 1, 2014 Clipped wings variant? Why? :cry: At the very least can't we have both? I think only recon versions of the Spit Mk XIV had fully elliptical wings, the clipped wings are for reducing induced drag at low altitudes. I don't know about you but I don't have the patience to climb to 30,000 feet for a fight. I'm alright down low with my clipped wings. The flight characteristics of the same model of spitfire with both types of wing would be radically different especially at high altitude. Link to comment
Pman Posted June 1, 2014 Author Share Posted June 1, 2014 Clipped wings variant? Why? :cry: At the very least can't we have both? Sadly due to the way that DCS works we cant do too separate models without doing two separate modules. Which is more work and costing then we can do for a standard price DCS module. I think only recon versions of the Spit Mk XIV had fully elliptical wings, the clipped wings are for reducing induced drag at low altitudes. I don't know about you but I don't have the patience to climb to 30,000 feet for a fight. I'm alright down low with my clipped wings. The flight characteristics of the same model of spitfire with both types of wing would be radically different especially at high altitude. The clipped wing variants only really came with the MkV, but your right that alot of the high altitude fighters not only had the full tips but in some cases actually had extended ones! Pman Link to comment
Mogster Posted June 1, 2014 Share Posted June 1, 2014 I thought wing clipping of XIVs as standard was mostly post war when the remaining ones were to be used for ground attack duty? I know some squadrons did their own field mods before that. Clipping does make the turn rate worse I think. Link to comment
Random Posted June 1, 2014 Share Posted June 1, 2014 Could be a stupid idea, but since DCS models drag, mass etc of external stores could it be possible to make the wingtips "stores" so you can get both variants without the need to do another module but still altering the flight model? Could also be used for changing between C and E. since you can have gunpods on things like the SU25... why not internal "gunpods" on the spit XIV? ;) 1 Link to comment
Mogster Posted June 1, 2014 Share Posted June 1, 2014 Could be a stupid idea, but since DCS models drag, mass etc of external stores could it be possible to make the wingtips "stores" so you can get both variants without the need to do another module but still altering the flight model? Could also be used for changing between C and E. since you can have gunpods on things like the SU25... why not internal "gunpods" on the spit XIV? ;) :thumbup: Full marks for creativity. Link to comment
Pman Posted June 1, 2014 Author Share Posted June 1, 2014 Could be a stupid idea, but since DCS models drag, mass etc of external stores could it be possible to make the wingtips "stores" so you can get both variants without the need to do another module but still altering the flight model? Could also be used for changing between C and E. since you can have gunpods on things like the SU25... why not internal "gunpods" on the spit XIV? ;) Thats a pretty good idea. Full marks for creativity. If that works then I will make sure you get a beta invite to DCS Spitfire Mk XIV Pman Link to comment
javelina1 Posted June 1, 2014 Share Posted June 1, 2014 something like this would be cool: http://www.a2asimulations.com/bob/ having it in DCS, and the whole interactive cockpit! :thumbup: MSI MAG Z790 Carbon, i9-13900k, NH-D15 cooler, 64 GB CL40 6000mhz RAM, MSI RTX4090, Yamaha 5.1 A/V Receiver, 4x 2TB Samsung 980 Pro NVMe, 1x 2TB Samsung 870 EVO SSD, Win 11 Pro, TM Warthog, Virpil WarBRD, MFG Crosswinds, 43" Samsung 4K TV, 21.5 Acer VT touchscreen, TrackIR, Varjo Aero, Wheel Stand Pro Super Warthog, Phanteks Enthoo Pro2 Full Tower Case, Seasonic GX-1200 ATX3 PSU, PointCTRL, Buttkicker 2, K-51 Helicopter Collective Control Link to comment
Pman Posted June 1, 2014 Author Share Posted June 1, 2014 something like this would be cool: http://www.a2asimulations.com/bob/ having it in DCS, and the whole interactive cockpit! :thumbup: Its something thats very much in my mind. The obvious thing to point out is that due to the fidelity of DCS doing a pack like that at $50 would be impossible. Something that is def on our minds tho ;) Pman Link to comment
shagrat Posted June 1, 2014 Share Posted June 1, 2014 I would agree to have the eliptical wing variant! It is the most "iconic" visual feature that shouts "SPITFIRE" in your face. If not both wing models, why not the way it was intended as a high altitude interceptor to bring down bombers and their escort? Shagrat - Flying Sims since 1984 - Win 10 | i5 10600K@4.1GHz | 64GB | GeForce RTX 3090 - Asus VG34VQL1B | TrackIR5 | Simshaker & Jetseat | VIRPIL CM 50 Stick & Throttle | VPC Rotor TCS Plus/Apache64 Grip | MFG Crosswind Rudder Pedals | WW Top Gun MIP | a hand made AHCP | 2x Elgato StreamDeck (Buttons galore) Link to comment
remon Posted June 2, 2014 Share Posted June 2, 2014 Could be a stupid idea, but since DCS models drag, mass etc of external stores could it be possible to make the wingtips "stores" so you can get both variants without the need to do another module but still altering the flight model? Could also be used for changing between C and E. since you can have gunpods on things like the SU25... why not internal "gunpods" on the spit XIV? ;) I was going to suggest something like Belsimteks UH-1H slick version toggle in the editor. Link to comment
Pman Posted June 2, 2014 Author Share Posted June 2, 2014 I was going to suggest something like Belsimteks UH-1H slick version toggle in the editor. I looked at that way of doing it and sadly it won't work for us doing it like that, not at the moment anyway. I'll look into the weaponary idea as I that one may be viable. Pman Link to comment
Pman Posted June 2, 2014 Author Share Posted June 2, 2014 I would agree to have the eliptical wing variant! It is the most "iconic" visual feature that shouts "SPITFIRE" in your face. If not both wing models, why not the way it was intended as a high altitude interceptor to bring down bombers and their escort? The Spitfire was designed as a short range, high performance fighter, it's origins date back from point defence. Some of the later marks had pressurised cockpits et al for high altitude work but it was by no means designed as that from day one. Clipped wings were more common on MkXIV's then elliptical ones, plus us having access to several clipped wing spitfires helps us with the production process. All the best Pman Link to comment
aaron886 Posted June 2, 2014 Share Posted June 2, 2014 Sadly due to the way that DCS works we cant do too separate models without doing two separate modules. Not in my experience. Variants are definitely possible. My own question: do you have someone lined up to do your flight modeling, or not yet? Link to comment
Pman Posted June 2, 2014 Author Share Posted June 2, 2014 Not in my experience. Variants are definitely possible. My own question: do you have someone lined up to do your flight modeling, or not yet? We actually have several positions open, anyone interested should drop me a pm. As for alternative variants it's our intention to do one variant. The low back with clipped wings. Anything above that we can consider pending data, cost and time frames Pman Link to comment
Random Posted June 2, 2014 Share Posted June 2, 2014 Thats a pretty good idea. Full marks for creativity. If that works then I will make sure you get a beta invite to DCS Spitfire Mk XIV Pman Fingers crossed then! Link to comment
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