SandMartin Posted October 24, 2019 Share Posted October 24, 2019 (edited) Hello. In DCSW our test showed that F-16 cant outturn (in sustained turn) RAZBAM's M2000. But chart says opposite. We think the M2K FM is set up incorrectly Edited October 24, 2019 by SandMartin Мой youtube канал Группа в VK IBM x3200 Tower, i7 9700k, Asus Z390-P, HyperX Fury DDR4 2x16Gb 3466 Mhz, HyperX Savage 480Gb SSD, Asus RTX3070 Dual OC 8G, 32" Asus PG329Q, Creative Sound Blaster AE-5, HyperX Cloud Alpha + Pulsefire FPS Pro + Alloy FPS brown, Track IR 4 PRO + Clip Pro, Warhog HOTAS + CH Pro Pedal + есть руль Logitech G25 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GPatricks Posted October 24, 2019 Share Posted October 24, 2019 Maybe i'm reading it wrong, but at 36000 feet it says Mirage max. is 2.2 Mach, F-16 is 2.0+ Mach, what altitude did you test at? Asus Z790-PLUS D4, Corsair 1000X PS / Intel i9-13900KF @5.8Gz - Corsair H150i Liquid CPU cooler, 64GB Corsair Vengeance DDR4 @3192mhz / 2TB M.2 NvMe Boot Drive (DCS World Beta installed here), 1TB M.2 Data drive, 1TB WD SATA drive, Zotac Gaming GeForce RTX 4090 Trinity 24GB - Nvidia 552.12 driver / 3 Samsung LC32G53TQWUXEN 32" 7680x1440 at 144Hz / Win11 Pro Ver. 23H2 - Build 22631.3447 TIR 5, TM Warthog HOTAS\VirPil stick base, MFG V3 Crosswind Pedals, TM MFDs on 2 8" Lilliputs/ Simgears ICP / Varjo Aero VR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smoked Posted October 24, 2019 Share Posted October 24, 2019 Yep... and that is also showing the F-16 with the 229... [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] V55th FS | 55th DiscordViper pit Discord Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dvinpayne Posted October 24, 2019 Share Posted October 24, 2019 Maybe i'm reading it wrong, but at 36000 feet it says Mirage max. is 2.2 Mach, F-16 is 2.0+ Mach, what altitude did you test at? That's not what he's talking about. He said outturn not outrun, bottom left of the chart. Says F-16 sustained turn rate of 13°/sec while M2k has 11.5°/sec @ mach 0.7 and 11°/sec @ mach 0.9. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steph21 Posted October 24, 2019 Share Posted October 24, 2019 (edited) Yes sure, M2K FM that got good feedback by the French Air Force and being compared to the one from real M2000C simulators is wrong. Can't be the FM of the F16 which is in Early Access.... :thumbup: Just take a ticket for the 'M2K is OP' bandwagon, there are already all Hornet (in Early Access also) owners in front of you :music_whistling: And by the way, chart is comparing a M2K-5 with a F16 Block 52, none being available in DCS currently Edited October 24, 2019 by Steph21 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bies Posted October 24, 2019 Share Posted October 24, 2019 (edited) Some time ago Mirage was able to do far more questionable things like flip 360 degrees in 2-3 seconds in a controllable manner without departure... So I can see the improvement anyway. But yes, the amount of drag of Mirage delta wings thus speed bleed in turn seems to be lower than the real plane. And this is the crucial parameter which causes real F-16 to outturn real Mirage. Sustained turn rate is an Achilles heel of all Delta wing fighters. Plus is they are still working on Mirage, fine tuning it, it's a great module. Edited October 25, 2019 by bies Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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