SkateZilla Posted January 30, 2014 Share Posted January 30, 2014 (edited) http://support.amd.com/en-us/download/desktop?os=Windows%208 Basic Results in Mantle Games, (Tested 3 this week while I was snowed in.) Results from Multiple Sources including myself. AMD CPUs and APU's Gain Significant Performance in all 3 Setups (Single GPU, Cross fire'd GPUs and DUAL GPU (R7-240+APU), Up to 65% AMD CPU + Discrete GPU (non XFire) About 20-30% (Max % Increase noted in High CPU Loaded Areas) AMD APU + Discrete GPU (Non Dual GFX) Same AMD APU + R7-240 (Dual GFX Enabled) About 30-50% AMD CPU + Discrete GPU in XFire (35-60%) AMD APU + Discrete GPU in XFire (Integrated GPU Off) Same as CPU. INTEL CPU's Not So much. ~5-11% Why? removal of CPU Overhead of DirectX. Bam. AMD Basically Removing the one Problem of Modules/FX/APUs that effects Games. Note the Higher %'s in DualGFX and XFire are due to Multi_GPU Driver adjustments for Frame pacing etc. So, This Makes APUs More Valid for Gaming, as well as AMD Powered Steam machines. Edited February 2, 2014 by SkateZilla Windows 10 Pro, Ryzen 2700X @ 4.6Ghz, 32GB DDR4-3200 GSkill (F4-3200C16D-16GTZR x2), ASRock X470 Taichi Ultimate, XFX RX6800XT Merc 310 (RX-68XTALFD9) 3x ASUS VS248HP + Oculus HMD, Thrustmaster Warthog HOTAS + MFDs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
*Rage* Posted January 30, 2014 Share Posted January 30, 2014 Why so little a gain with intel CPUs? [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] 64th "Scorpions" Aggressor Squadron Discord: 64th Aggressor Squadron TS: 195.201.110.22 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkateZilla Posted January 30, 2014 Author Share Posted January 30, 2014 The Difference between DirectX and Mantle is CPU Overhead, With Chips like AMD's with a bit lower IPC Performance, CPU Overhead can slow down the Instructions to the GPU, Mantle Removes that Bottleneck. Windows 10 Pro, Ryzen 2700X @ 4.6Ghz, 32GB DDR4-3200 GSkill (F4-3200C16D-16GTZR x2), ASRock X470 Taichi Ultimate, XFX RX6800XT Merc 310 (RX-68XTALFD9) 3x ASUS VS248HP + Oculus HMD, Thrustmaster Warthog HOTAS + MFDs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fearlessfrog Posted January 30, 2014 Share Posted January 30, 2014 (edited) For those wanting to play along and do a 'before and after' the newer mantle drivers, then this demo app is a nice way to see: http://store.steampowered.com/app/267130/ (Edit: Warning, kinda pointless registration process needed, so a heads up for that) Edited January 30, 2014 by fearlessfrog ~~~ http://www.mudspike.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raven68 Posted January 30, 2014 Share Posted January 30, 2014 Mantle is really getting my attention Skates. I'm just trying to reel in all the tech literature to understand it's purpose really. My understanding is that it is on the level of DX and OpenGL. It appears to have a lot of potential, but the kicker is will Nvidia buy into it. I would love a take on this from someone at ED to see their observations and plans on implementation, if possible. Intel i5-9600K @ 3.7GHz Gigabyte Z370XP SLI Mobo G.SKILL Ripjaws V Series 32GB (2 x 16GB) 288-Pin DDR4 GIGABYTE GeForce RTX 2070 8GB 256-Bit GDDR6(Assume the latest driver version) Thermaltake Water 3.0 Certified Liquid Cooling System Windows 10 Professional Oculus Rift-S /TrackIR 5 in case VR dies Thrustmaster HOTAS Warthog w/ Thrustmaster T-Flight Rudder Pedals Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkateZilla Posted January 30, 2014 Author Share Posted January 30, 2014 It's not on the same level as DX and OpenGL, it allows you to communicate directly to the hardware, instead of GFX Engine->API->Hardware. it'll be GFX Engine-> Hardware Windows 10 Pro, Ryzen 2700X @ 4.6Ghz, 32GB DDR4-3200 GSkill (F4-3200C16D-16GTZR x2), ASRock X470 Taichi Ultimate, XFX RX6800XT Merc 310 (RX-68XTALFD9) 3x ASUS VS248HP + Oculus HMD, Thrustmaster Warthog HOTAS + MFDs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danilop Posted January 30, 2014 Share Posted January 30, 2014 If this is final on Mantle, basically AMD system (CPU+GPU) is now competitive to Intel+Nvidia one. That's good thing for AMD CPUs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joey45 Posted January 30, 2014 Share Posted January 30, 2014 Time to upgrade this year.......... The only way to make sense out of change is to plunge into it, move with it, and join the dance. "Me, the 13th Duke of Wybourne, here on the ED forums at 3 'o' clock in the morning, with my reputation. Are they mad.." https://ko-fi.com/joey45 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pacotito Posted January 30, 2014 Share Posted January 30, 2014 The downside for now is the price of the r9 series. I was looking to get myself a 290 but the price is now $600usd. Hopefully it will come down soon or I'll be getting a 780 instead. Although this mantle news may have me waiting for the price to cone back down. Pacotito I7-5820k@4.5 Z99 extreme4 16gb ddr4 520gb ssd. Gigabyte ssc GTX960 SSC 4gb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dooom Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 So has anyone with amd CPU/gpu test this yet for any improvement with DCS or am I interpreting this wrong? ASUS Tuf Gaming Pro x570 / AMD Ryzen 7 5800X @ 3.8 / XFX Radeon 6900 XT / 64 GB DDR4 3200 "This was not in the Manual I did not read", cried the Noob" - BMBM, WWIIOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pacotito Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 Other than skates post the only testing I've seen is from AMD and dice. That was with 3 variations of AMD systems. Showing 20-60% depending how much the CPU was "bottlenecking" the gpu. Pacotito I7-5820k@4.5 Z99 extreme4 16gb ddr4 520gb ssd. Gigabyte ssc GTX960 SSC 4gb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Team BIGNEWY Posted January 31, 2014 ED Team Share Posted January 31, 2014 Slight delay for release ? http://forum.overclock3d.net/showthread.php?t=60003 AMD Catalyst 14.1 delayed due to a last minute bug One of the most highly anticipated pieces of gaming tech to come this year is the Mantle API, AMD's ambitious 3D graphics API to rival Direct3D and OpenGL, which promises to give huge performance gains in CPU limited gaming tasks and more optimum GPU utilization which opens up titles to more performance and visual yum yum that gamers want. This was all to come with AMD Catalyst 14.1, which sadly has been delayed today due to an installation issue found during AMD's internal testing. Forum rules - DCS Crashing? Try this first - Cleanup and Repair - Discord BIGNEWY#8703 - Youtube - Patch Status Windows 11, NVIDIA MSI RTX 3090, Intel® i9-10900K 3.70GHz, 5.30GHz Turbo, Corsair Hydro Series H150i Pro, 64GB DDR @3200, ASUS ROG Strix Z490-F Gaming, HP Reverb G2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trooph Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 Slight delay for release ? http://forum.overclock3d.net/showthread.php?t=60003 Atleast they didnt release buggy driver :) Too bad that DCS engine is not optimized for Mantle... Maybe in near future someone from ED will look in to it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkateZilla Posted January 31, 2014 Author Share Posted January 31, 2014 Slight delay for release ? http://forum.overclock3d.net/showthread.php?t=60003 an AMD Driver Engineer/Tech/whatever Tweeted yesterday afternoon that they had to re-compile the installer. Outside of testing, I have no interest in continuing to deal with BF4 issues, Star Swarm Bench isnt my thing, So Mantle means Didly for me, Same with HSA. Frame Pacing for Eyefinity and XFire on the other hand. Windows 10 Pro, Ryzen 2700X @ 4.6Ghz, 32GB DDR4-3200 GSkill (F4-3200C16D-16GTZR x2), ASRock X470 Taichi Ultimate, XFX RX6800XT Merc 310 (RX-68XTALFD9) 3x ASUS VS248HP + Oculus HMD, Thrustmaster Warthog HOTAS + MFDs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pacotito Posted February 1, 2014 Share Posted February 1, 2014 The humor is that AMD mantel is pretty close to OpenGL 4.4. http://www.opengl.org/documentation/current_version/ Pacotito I7-5820k@4.5 Z99 extreme4 16gb ddr4 520gb ssd. Gigabyte ssc GTX960 SSC 4gb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkateZilla Posted February 2, 2014 Author Share Posted February 2, 2014 released, link in first post. Windows 10 Pro, Ryzen 2700X @ 4.6Ghz, 32GB DDR4-3200 GSkill (F4-3200C16D-16GTZR x2), ASRock X470 Taichi Ultimate, XFX RX6800XT Merc 310 (RX-68XTALFD9) 3x ASUS VS248HP + Oculus HMD, Thrustmaster Warthog HOTAS + MFDs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GregP Posted February 2, 2014 Share Posted February 2, 2014 I'm seeing a 20% FPS drop in DCS with 14.1 compared to the 13.9s, which is consistent with every other driver since 13.9. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
javelina1 Posted February 2, 2014 Share Posted February 2, 2014 I'm seeing a 20% FPS drop in DCS with 14.1 compared to the 13.9s, which is consistent with every other driver since 13.9. It appears 13.9 is a keeper, up until we see any sort of positive impact from EDGE. A great .dll testing method developed over here. http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=119196 Prop's to kn00tcn. MSI MAG Z790 Carbon, i9-13900k, NH-D15 cooler, 64 GB CL40 6000mhz RAM, MSI RTX4090, Yamaha 5.1 A/V Receiver, 4x 2TB Samsung 980 Pro NVMe, 1x 2TB Samsung 870 EVO SSD, Win 11 Pro, TM Warthog, Virpil WarBRD, MFG Crosswinds, 43" Samsung 4K TV, 21.5 Acer VT touchscreen, TrackIR, Varjo Aero, Wheel Stand Pro Super Warthog, Phanteks Enthoo Pro2 Full Tower Case, Seasonic GX-1200 ATX3 PSU, PointCTRL, Buttkicker 2, K-51 Helicopter Collective Control Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GregP Posted February 2, 2014 Share Posted February 2, 2014 Yep, was just about to come back and update my post but you beat me to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pepec9124 Posted February 2, 2014 Share Posted February 2, 2014 The humor is that AMD mantel is pretty close to OpenGL 4.4. http://www.opengl.org/documentation/current_version/ Maybe they are too lazy to fix fglrx so they designed new API :music_whistling: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
javelina1 Posted February 2, 2014 Share Posted February 2, 2014 Yep, was just about to come back and update my post but you beat me to it. we're all here wanting to help :) thanks for your data point, you're saving some of us the grief of trial & error. Sure, different rig setups can change results, but if you're seeing a 20% drop, I'm staying well away from that mother.... :smilewink: MSI MAG Z790 Carbon, i9-13900k, NH-D15 cooler, 64 GB CL40 6000mhz RAM, MSI RTX4090, Yamaha 5.1 A/V Receiver, 4x 2TB Samsung 980 Pro NVMe, 1x 2TB Samsung 870 EVO SSD, Win 11 Pro, TM Warthog, Virpil WarBRD, MFG Crosswinds, 43" Samsung 4K TV, 21.5 Acer VT touchscreen, TrackIR, Varjo Aero, Wheel Stand Pro Super Warthog, Phanteks Enthoo Pro2 Full Tower Case, Seasonic GX-1200 ATX3 PSU, PointCTRL, Buttkicker 2, K-51 Helicopter Collective Control Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phant Posted February 2, 2014 Share Posted February 2, 2014 6PKxP30WxYM Bye Phant Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkateZilla Posted February 2, 2014 Author Share Posted February 2, 2014 It appears 13.9 is a keeper, up until we see any sort of positive impact from EDGE. A great .dll testing method developed over here. http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=119196 Prop's to kn00tcn. I'm seeing a 20% FPS drop in DCS with 14.1 compared to the 13.9s, which is consistent with every other driver since 13.9. I'll prolly use that method of placing the DLLs in the bin folder to run some benchmarks. Should we start a new thread for this experiment? "AMD - Using Driver DLLs in BIN Folder for better performance" and have all the DLLs readily available with instructions. 1 Windows 10 Pro, Ryzen 2700X @ 4.6Ghz, 32GB DDR4-3200 GSkill (F4-3200C16D-16GTZR x2), ASRock X470 Taichi Ultimate, XFX RX6800XT Merc 310 (RX-68XTALFD9) 3x ASUS VS248HP + Oculus HMD, Thrustmaster Warthog HOTAS + MFDs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
javelina1 Posted February 2, 2014 Share Posted February 2, 2014 I'll prolly use that method of placing the DLLs in the bin folder to run some benchmarks. Should we start a new thread for this experiment? "AMD - Using Driver DLLs in BIN Folder for better performance" and have all the DLLs readily available with instructions. Excellent idea! :thumbup: MSI MAG Z790 Carbon, i9-13900k, NH-D15 cooler, 64 GB CL40 6000mhz RAM, MSI RTX4090, Yamaha 5.1 A/V Receiver, 4x 2TB Samsung 980 Pro NVMe, 1x 2TB Samsung 870 EVO SSD, Win 11 Pro, TM Warthog, Virpil WarBRD, MFG Crosswinds, 43" Samsung 4K TV, 21.5 Acer VT touchscreen, TrackIR, Varjo Aero, Wheel Stand Pro Super Warthog, Phanteks Enthoo Pro2 Full Tower Case, Seasonic GX-1200 ATX3 PSU, PointCTRL, Buttkicker 2, K-51 Helicopter Collective Control Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bee_Sting Posted February 4, 2014 Share Posted February 4, 2014 Amd's Mantle Will Amd's Mantle be useful for Dcs World?:smartass: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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