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Old 11-13-2016, 01:40 PM   #1
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Exclamation Bf109K4 Doesn't stall.

My friend who owns the module, but is not able to write here, has noticed that the Me109K is impossible to stall. The airplane only falls down when not enough speed is available. He used full stick deflection during the test.

It doesn't look right at all.

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Old 11-13-2016, 01:42 PM   #2
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Would need to see the control indicator in that Vid - while his joystick might be fully deflected - in game it may not be.

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Old 11-13-2016, 01:45 PM   #3
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Would need to see the control indicator in that Vid - while his joystick might be fully deflected - in game it may not be.

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It doesn't matter, the airplane is capable of flying in the air below stalling speed and at very high AoA at that. It recovers in level flight and never even realy drops a wing. The only thing that makes it roll is the torque of the engine.

It just falls down to the ground. if there is not enough speed. Stall and spin do not occur.
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Old 11-13-2016, 01:58 PM   #4
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i would love to have people make bug reports who actually own the module and know it...of course the 109 stalls and drops wings if angle of attack is too hig or speed is too slow.

one thing to keep in mind is, that the stick forces of the 109 are implemented in a way, that the pilot has a hard time to fully deflect the stick or rudder even at speeds of ~200kph.

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Old 11-13-2016, 02:04 PM   #5
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i would love to have people make bug reports who actually own the module and know it...of course the 109 stalls and drops wings if angle of attack is too hig or speed is too slow.

one thing to keep in mind is, that the stick forces of the 109 are implemented in a way, that the pilot has a hard time to fully deflect the stick or rudder even at speeds of ~200kph.
It would be great if people that own the module actually did their own research and knew what they are talking about. Also, we can clearly see the stick travel in Scharfi's video, it's fully deflected back and right and the airplane is gaining speed because it is pulmeting but still holds its attitude.

The airplane clearly doesn't stall, and my friend couldn't make the thread because he is already banned.

If you want to buy me a copy of Me109, please go ahead, but as long as you do not, we will have do that stuff through proxy.

Anyway, both Scharfi's and my friend's videos show clearly that the plane doesn't stall even with the nose up attitude and stick held back, nearly acomplishing Cobra maneuvers of the Su27.
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Old 11-13-2016, 02:08 PM   #6
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go buy yourself copy if you want to appear credible. i see people stalling the 109 every day.so research done.
and 1 more time,... due to how the stickforces are implemented, its very hard for the virtual pilot to oversteer the plane even at low speeds...thats probably more the problem than the fm itself.

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Old 11-13-2016, 02:11 PM   #7
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go buy yourself copy if you want to appear credible. i see people stalling the 109 every day.so research done.

Wouldn't be too hard for you to make a video of yourself stalling the 109, right?
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Old 11-13-2016, 02:16 PM   #8
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Wouldn't be too hard for you to make a video of yourself stalling the 109, right?
for what? to convince you? i have better things to do....also, im sure the devs will look into it. is the 109 perfect?probably not...is it possbile to stall?...hell yeah
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Old 11-13-2016, 02:30 PM   #9
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for what? to convince you? i have better things to do....also, im sure the devs will look into it. is the 109 perfect?probably not...is it possbile to stall?...hell yeah
¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Surely you could spare 15 minutes to make a video, instead of hours arguing on the forums?
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Old 11-13-2016, 04:37 PM   #10
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My friend made another test with power off:
https://youtu.be/MKexcVYbY04

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