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Old 02-18-2020, 01:21 PM   #1
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How much of a threat is the MIG23 MLA to the more modern F18 and F16 that we currently have in DCS?
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Old 02-18-2020, 01:51 PM   #2
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It will be fast.
The radar will be mediocre (Better then Mig-21 worse then Mig-29 or Mirage 2000)
The missiles will be Mediocre with R60M for close combat

and R-24R and R-24T for BVR

(mid 1970s with a 50km range under optimal conditions).
As standard it would have the Spo-10 RWR (Same as Mig-21Bis)


(Though if i remember correctly they talked about adding the Spo-15 and maybe even R-73 missile as optional upgrades but i could be wrong).


So the Mig-23MLA will be at a significant disadvantage in a modern Scenarios against a F-18 and F-16 with Aim-120s, Aim-9X and Datalink etc.


It would have to rely on its acceleration and high speed and use ambush tactics doing quick hit and run attacks

(Preferebly with GCI / Awacs to help guide you to the target).


In a cold war scenarios (With no Aim-120,Aim-9X or helmet mounted sights etc)

it would do much better as its weapons and sensors were Ok for the 1970s and 1980s and while it still would not be able to turnfight a 4th Gen fighter
its powerful engine gives it very good acceleration,top speed and climb rate.

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Old 02-18-2020, 01:58 PM   #3
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It will be fast.
The radar will be mediocre (Better then Mig-21 worse then Mig-29 or Mirage 2000)
The missiles will be Mediocre with R60M for close combat

and R-24R and R-24T for BVR

(mid 1970s with a 50km range under optimal conditions).
As standard it would have the Spo-10 RWR (Same as Mig-21Bis)


(Though if i remember correctly they talked about adding the Spo-15 and maybe even R-73 missile as optional upgrades but i could be wrong).


So the Mig-23MLA will be a significant disadvantage in a modern Scenarios against a F-18 and F-16 with Aim-120s, Aim-9X and Datalink etc.


It would have to rely on its acceleration and high speed and use ambush tactics doing quick hit and run attacks

(Preferebly with GCI / Awacs to help guide you to the target).


In a cold war scenarios (With no Aim-120,Aim-9X or helmet mounted sights etc) it would do a bit better as its weapons were Ok for the time.
It is up to mission creators to make the time frame that suits the mission , weapons can always be restricted to AIM-7/AIM-9.
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Old 02-18-2020, 02:10 PM   #4
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The MIG21 is one of my favorite module but I’ve always felt that something was missing, and that was the Mig dance partner the F4.
So it seems that the best match for Mig23 as things stands might be the Mirage
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Though the Mig-23 and F-4 are far more comparable then

the Mig-21 and F-4 or Mig-23 and Mirage 2000 are.

(The Mig-21 is closer to a Mirage III or F-104 in terms of Capabilities / performance)



But yea of the aircraft ingame the Mirage 2000 is probably closest to the Mig-23MLA (No Fox-3 only 2 BVR missiles etc)
Though the Mirage 2000 is far more nimble and has a better Radar and RWR which gives it much better situational awareness
(Though hopefully they will model the Mig-23MLA's Lazur Datalink which should give it a kind of SA)

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Old 02-18-2020, 02:52 PM   #6
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Yeah, the closest thing actually in DCS for the mig23 will be the M2k. Once you get the F14A in game, that will be period correct, but still will greatly outclass the mig23. If the mig can get to the merge then it might have a chance. Hopefully the F4E will come soon.
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Old 02-18-2020, 03:05 PM   #7
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How much of a threat is the MIG23 MLA to the more modern F18 and F16 that we currently have in DCS?
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You need a GCI to guide you. You are a pilot who is tasked important position in the whole defense, and you need to obey what the GCI tells you as they have the overall picture what is happening. The GCI knows when enemy launch missiles at you, they guide you through the dog fights that what is happening and how you should fly before even the bogey is doing its maneuver etc.

The MiG-23MLA is seriously underpowered as it was very serious threat to everything in the early 80's when it came out. But because it didn't anymore receive upgrades to systems etc, it did fall far behind the very modern F-16C Block 50 and latest F/A-18C Lot 20 variants. Those are designed to require pilot to manage more of the whole aircraft, understand the complex situation in the air and on the ground, and solve complex tasks in their minds under heavy stress, eventually they are responsible to engage any target that is it a friend or foe, while in Soviet GCI style GCI always knew who is friend and who is not as they kept track of everything (you were not allowed to engage targets that GCI can't see, and they basically saw everything, but just in case that you don't go engage a friend).

The missiles the MiG-23MLA has are better than AIM-7, and depends do they get it modeled you can do nice tactics with them.

The MiG-23MLA doesn't even have a radar scope like MiG-21. First to project the radar on HUD. So that you see your contacts on it, making it more possible for you to keep eyes out of the cockpit instead playing with displays inside cockpit.

What comes to turning fights, the MiG-23MLA is not so great as MiG-23MLD, that got good revision to its aerodynamics. And it is little similar like a F-14 is to those others. But not such slow speed noise pointer but you dont't want to go for a turning fight with it if you can't quickly the solution to enemy and so on just extend away. As you can't change your wings angle when in turning, that makes serious limitation for turning fights. But as you can accelerate faster than F-16, you can outrun it, you turn even better than F-4 or F-16A in some given altitudes and speeds, you can even climb faster than F-15 itself (heck, even Harrier has better climb rate than F-15C up to 12 000 feets IIRC).

But this is now the problem that RedFor has only the top of the class aircrafts from the 80's, while BlueFor has from early-mid 2000. There is about 20 years cap between (and no, I don't count JF-17 as full REDFOR aircraft).

In multiplayer you should get the MiG-23MLA operate under a human GCI that will lead waves of you against target. You come fast in, launch missiles, turn away and run. And the time the enemy starts to recover from that attack, the second wave comes in and attack, turn away and flee. And the GCI job is to keep you in safe, so when they tell you to turn away, you turn away as they see that missiles is launched against you and they protect you.

So what it will be, is that MiG-23MLA is fast and agile, but it lacks the pure power and unless performing tactics correctly, you die quickly in it against those modern fighters. Not so quickly as MiG-21Bis does, but still about there.

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Old 02-18-2020, 09:33 PM   #8
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Thanks Fri13, let's hope the Blue side gets a few planes so we can shoot down with the Mig23
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Old 02-18-2020, 09:38 PM   #9
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IRST, kindve needed when your radar only has high PRF
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Old 02-19-2020, 09:46 AM   #10
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Please keep in mind, we are getting an MiG-23MLA, not a MiG-23MS. Alot of statements in this thread are thus not relatable to what we get.

The N003 radar of the MLA was rather capable for its time and not to be compared with the radar we know from the MiG-21bis (and MiG-23MS). Detection ranges are said to be 55km against a fighter sized target above and 25km below horizon. The radar can automatically switch modes to the most suitable for the own and scanned altitude and has a range of different PRF available.

Regarding the RWR, it was already stated that we will get both the SPO-10 and SPO-15, as latter was a frequent update to the MLA.
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