Current state of the Viggen? - Page 4 - ED Forums
 


Notices

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 08-29-2017, 12:23 PM   #31
Fri13
Veteran
 
Join Date: Aug 2013
Posts: 4,123
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by some1 View Post
I never said anything about looking at the sight with both your eyes at the same time. Just the opposite: look with one eye, then move the other one to the same spot and check if the image is in the same place. It is not, which in real life is not possible.

It's just easier to check with your head against the sight, because it's a good reference point.
Did you read what I wrote?

1) do not stick your eye ball in sight as it ain't meant to used so!

2) it is correct for me when correctly used as it is supposed.



--
I usually post from my phone so please excuse any typos, inappropriate punctuation and capitalization, missing words and general lack of cohesion and sense in my posts.....
__________________
i7-8700k, 32GB 2666Mhz DDR4, 2x 2080S SLI 8GB, Oculus Rift S.
i7-8700k, 16GB 2666Mhz DDR4, 1080Ti 11GB, 27" 4K, 65" HDR 4K.
Fri13 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-29-2017, 12:47 PM   #32
some1
Senior Member
 
some1's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Poland
Posts: 2,235
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by WinterH View Post
I don't exactly know how collimated sights work, so can't be sure whether this applies them or not. However, there is such a thing IRL as two eyes seeing things in different places.

They are offset from each other, and seen from a different angle each, it is brain that creates a composite image of two, so we perceive one image. Often, we tend to see things in the pace which our "dominant eye" see them.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Fri13 View Post
Did you read what I wrote?

1) do not stick your eye ball in sight as it ain't meant to used so!

2) it is correct for me when correctly used as it is supposed.

Man, I really hope that it's just a problem with my limited English vocabulary, as I can't make the explanation more dumb.
The image can not appear in real life in different place when you look at it with the other eye from the same spot. What your mind does with this later is irrelevant to the discussion. You can look at the sight from up close, you can look from the back of the cockpit - does not matter. If you look from the regular flying position, it's just harder to place your eye in the exactly same spot for comparison, but the issue is still there.
__________________

Hardware: Virpil T-50CM, Hotas Warthog, Hotas Cougar, Slaw Rudder, Wheel Stand Pro, GVL224 Trio Throttle, Thrustmaster MFDs, Saitek Trim wheel, Trackir 5, Rift S
some1 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-29-2017, 01:05 PM   #33
WinterH
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 2014
Posts: 1,794
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by some1 View Post
The image can not appear in real life in different place when you look at it with the other eye from the same spot.
Well that's the problem, it can, and does happen IRL: look at something, use your hands to frame it with (put the thing you are looking at in the middle of frame), close one eye, and then the other, you will see the thing at a different place in relation to your frame with both eyes, one will be at the spot where both your eyes are open, and this is your "dominant eye", and the other one will be offset to a side, possibly even out of the frame.

Edit: however, I am not saying how it is in the module is either correct, or incorrect, I don't do VR after all. All I'm saying is, such difference between perceived position of things according to either eye does happen IRL, and your wording seem to argue against this.
__________________
Modules:
MiG-21Bis, Fw-190D, Bf-109K, P-51D, F-86F, Ka-50, UH-1H, Mi-8MTV2, Hawk T1A, C-101, FC3, A-10C, CA, Mirage 2000C, Gazelle, L-39, MiG-15Bis, F-5E, AJS 37 Viggen, Yak-52, Christen Eagle II, MiG-19, I-16, JF-17, F-14

Honorable Mention Mods:
A-4E & MB-339

Wishlist:
MiG-23, MiG-27, Jaguar, Su-24M2, F-111, A-6E, A-7E&D, Ju-88A4, Ju-87G2&D5,F-4E,Mirage F-1, Mi-28N, Extra 300,J-7,MiG-25, Battle of Britain era British and German aircraft, A6M5 Zero, Fw-190F8, Super Tucano,Su-17.

Last edited by WinterH; 08-29-2017 at 01:12 PM.
WinterH is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-29-2017, 01:17 PM   #34
some1
Senior Member
 
some1's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Poland
Posts: 2,235
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by WinterH View Post
Well that's the problem, it can, and does happen IRL: look at something, use your hands to frame it with (put the thing you are looking at in the middle of frame), close one eye, and then the other, you will see the thing at a different place in relation to your frame with both eyes, one will be at the spot where both your eyes are open, and this is your "dominant eye", and the other one will be offset to a side, possibly even out of the frame.
Of course if you don't move your head then your eyes will see a different picture. They are not in the same spot after all, and thanks to that we humans have stereoscopic vision.

But imagine a keyhole - first you peek with one eye, then you put your other eye against it. Are you supposed to see different things if your eye looks from the same spot?
__________________

Hardware: Virpil T-50CM, Hotas Warthog, Hotas Cougar, Slaw Rudder, Wheel Stand Pro, GVL224 Trio Throttle, Thrustmaster MFDs, Saitek Trim wheel, Trackir 5, Rift S
some1 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-30-2017, 05:58 PM   #35
scaflight
Member
 
scaflight's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2014
Posts: 237
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Cobra847 View Post
There simply isn't that much which is broken. The list of major issues is dwindling rapidly.
We'll get there quicker than you think.

There have been about 200 minor and major fixes since release- and that does not include hundreds of hours spent on new features that have not been announced.

For the VR collimation issue: Chris has just received his Rift and can now troubleshoot directly (instead of indirectly by the rest of us reporting in).
This still seems like a base engine level issue currently.
Hi Nicholas. Quick off-topic here to give feedback!
Would just like to say that I like your tone and style on the many last responses to the community. It's difficult to infer through text, of course, but you seem to be aiming for a measured, neutral tone without jumping towards unnecessary conflict. Other devs and ED staff haven't always done so (they are only human after all), so it feels nice to have this sort of communication from you.
Gj gj!
scaflight is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-31-2017, 09:26 PM   #36
uhntissbaby111
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2011
Posts: 88
Default

I understand what some1 is saying. He doesn't mean the head being in the same spot, he means each individual eye being in the same spot. Of course, without moving your head, if you close your dominant eye, then the object you are looking at will appear to shift. But what he is saying is, close your left eye, and look at the object with your right eye. Then close your right eye, and move your head a bit to the right so that the left eye is where the right eye was looking from, the picture should be the exact same as with the right eye because you are viewing the image from the exact same location as you were with the right eye. And he is saying that the images are not the same
uhntissbaby111 is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump

All times are GMT. The time now is 03:50 AM. vBulletin Skin by ForumMonkeys. Powered by vBulletin®.
Copyright ©2000 - 2020, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.