mvsgas Posted April 13, 2016 Share Posted April 13, 2016 Does anyone know which F-16 block 20 MLU have internal jammers (if any)? Some games/simulations present/have this capability but I have not found any indication of block 20 MLU having additional antennas, needed for internal jammers. The RDAF F-16 block 15, upgraded to block 20 (currently) have sensors and antenna on their weapons pylons; But I do not know if they are for jamming or part of the RWR. The round sensors are suppose to be for missile launch detection and A models F-16 (block 20 and below) do not have RWR antennas on the wing leading edge flap (LEF) so it would make since to add them there but I'm not sure. On some block 52+, it is easy to see the extra antennas, some examples; F-16I Note the antennas on the intake lights, below the intake, on the side of the nose, etc. Same on Singapore newer F-16C 52+ Similar on the ROKAF KF-16 52 To whom it may concern, I am an idiot, unfortunately for the world, I have a internet connection and a fondness for beer....apologies for that. Thank you for you patience. Many people don't want the truth, they want constant reassurance that whatever misconception/fallacies they believe in are true.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mvsgas Posted April 13, 2016 Share Posted April 13, 2016 (edited) Tnnx1H4jTPc Edited August 9, 2018 by mvsgas dead link To whom it may concern, I am an idiot, unfortunately for the world, I have a internet connection and a fondness for beer....apologies for that. Thank you for you patience. Many people don't want the truth, they want constant reassurance that whatever misconception/fallacies they believe in are true.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mvsgas Posted April 13, 2016 Share Posted April 13, 2016 (edited) -zFrUyG07ow They always push on the nozzle, always...:doh: One of the reasons F-16 get confusing, pilots describing things they don't fully understand. :D Edited August 9, 2018 by mvsgas dead link To whom it may concern, I am an idiot, unfortunately for the world, I have a internet connection and a fondness for beer....apologies for that. Thank you for you patience. Many people don't want the truth, they want constant reassurance that whatever misconception/fallacies they believe in are true.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Basher54321 Posted April 13, 2016 Share Posted April 13, 2016 Does anyone know which F-16 block 20 MLU have internal jammers (if any)? Some games/simulations present/have this capability but I have not found any indication of block 20 MLU having additional antennas, needed for internal jammers. The RDAF F-16 block 15, upgraded to block 20 (currently) have sensors and antenna on their weapons pylons; But I do not know if they are for jamming or part of the RWR. The round sensors are suppose to be for missile launch detection and A models F-16 (block 20 and below) do not have RWR antennas on the wing leading edge flap (LEF) so it would make since to add them there but I'm not sure. Possibly Denmark and Norway use pylon solutions - if you check out the TERMA brochure it takes a modular approach so you can have internal ECM or expendables on 3/7 as well as the IR detectors. (Not saying they do - an indication might be lack of ECM pod in combat) [ame]http://www.terma.com/media/105019/two-pager_defense_air_pylon-based_ew_solutions.pdf[/ame] http://www.airforce-technology.com/news/news122569.html Belgium originally had a Carapace internal ECM fit in some (had a bulge under the intake) that may have changed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seaeagle Posted April 13, 2016 Share Posted April 13, 2016 (edited) The RDAF F-16 block 15, upgraded to block 20 (currently) have sensors and antenna on their weapons pylons; But I do not know if they are for jamming or part of the RWR. They are for jamming. There are basically two types.. - PIDS+ a pylon with integrated missile warning sensors(3) and chaff dispenser. - ECIPS+ a pylon with integrated missile warning sensors(3) and ECM. ...which can be used in combination - i.e. PIDS+ on one wing and ECIPS+ on the other. Edited April 13, 2016 by Seaeagle removed manufacturer pdf(same as attached to post above). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mvsgas Posted April 13, 2016 Share Posted April 13, 2016 Cool, thanks. To whom it may concern, I am an idiot, unfortunately for the world, I have a internet connection and a fondness for beer....apologies for that. Thank you for you patience. Many people don't want the truth, they want constant reassurance that whatever misconception/fallacies they believe in are true.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mvsgas Posted April 13, 2016 Share Posted April 13, 2016 To whom it may concern, I am an idiot, unfortunately for the world, I have a internet connection and a fondness for beer....apologies for that. Thank you for you patience. Many people don't want the truth, they want constant reassurance that whatever misconception/fallacies they believe in are true.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Basher54321 Posted April 13, 2016 Share Posted April 13, 2016 (edited) Looks like as of 2009, Norway F-16 still used external ECM, http://www.f-16.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=12950&p=160742 When did they started to use the pylons AN/ALQ-162? Don't currently have anything on whether ALQ-162 is included for those forces - Odyssey Dawn 2011 photos show them with ALQ-131s but some do seem to have modified pylons at that stage. http://www.f-16.net/g3/f-16-photos/album37/album09/674_007 http://www.f-16.net/g3/f-16-photos/album37/album09/664_001 The Netherlands might be getting the PIDs type pylons also but no particulars on whats included: http://www.janes.com/article/58996/airbus-ds-to-fit-milds-f-missile-warning-system-to-dutch-f-16s-and-nh90s Interestingly that nice 2002 NG pdf you found does actually mention Norway to receive some units. Edited April 13, 2016 by Basher54321 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vitormouraa Posted April 13, 2016 Share Posted April 13, 2016 What does MLU mean? SplashOneGaming Discord https://splashonegaming.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Basher54321 Posted April 13, 2016 Share Posted April 13, 2016 What does MLU mean? Originally Mid Life Update - a major upgrade to the early F-16A types of some Countries including Norway/Netherlands/Belgium/Denmark. Actually see http://www.f-16.net/f-16_versions_article2.html 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seaeagle Posted April 14, 2016 Share Posted April 14, 2016 Looks like as of 2009, Norway F-16 still used external ECM, http://www.f-16.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=12950&p=160742 When did they started to use the pylons I don't know about Norway, but ours(RDAF) have used them for some time - PIDS(with chaff dispenser) on station 7 and ECIPS(with ECM) on station 3. IIRC I have seen them on Belgian F-16s as well.....not sure if I remember correctly though. Note However, that the further developed PIDS+ and ECIPS+ (with the missile warning sensors) are quite new, so I wouldn't be surprised if we are the only ones using them so far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mvsgas Posted April 14, 2016 Share Posted April 14, 2016 Thanks guys, I can't rep :( To whom it may concern, I am an idiot, unfortunately for the world, I have a internet connection and a fondness for beer....apologies for that. Thank you for you patience. Many people don't want the truth, they want constant reassurance that whatever misconception/fallacies they believe in are true.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mvsgas Posted April 14, 2016 Share Posted April 14, 2016 (edited) Edited April 14, 2016 by mvsgas To whom it may concern, I am an idiot, unfortunately for the world, I have a internet connection and a fondness for beer....apologies for that. Thank you for you patience. Many people don't want the truth, they want constant reassurance that whatever misconception/fallacies they believe in are true.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mvsgas Posted April 16, 2016 Share Posted April 16, 2016 To whom it may concern, I am an idiot, unfortunately for the world, I have a internet connection and a fondness for beer....apologies for that. Thank you for you patience. Many people don't want the truth, they want constant reassurance that whatever misconception/fallacies they believe in are true.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mvsgas Posted April 16, 2016 Share Posted April 16, 2016 (edited) Notice on the approach, the pilot is constantly adjusting the throttle. Edited April 19, 2016 by mvsgas To whom it may concern, I am an idiot, unfortunately for the world, I have a internet connection and a fondness for beer....apologies for that. Thank you for you patience. Many people don't want the truth, they want constant reassurance that whatever misconception/fallacies they believe in are true.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mvsgas Posted April 17, 2016 Share Posted April 17, 2016 To whom it may concern, I am an idiot, unfortunately for the world, I have a internet connection and a fondness for beer....apologies for that. Thank you for you patience. Many people don't want the truth, they want constant reassurance that whatever misconception/fallacies they believe in are true.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sryan Posted April 19, 2016 Share Posted April 19, 2016 [ame] [/ame] Check my F-15C guide Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vitormouraa Posted April 19, 2016 Share Posted April 19, 2016 What a turbulence, that was intense! SplashOneGaming Discord https://splashonegaming.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mvsgas Posted April 19, 2016 Share Posted April 19, 2016 m4F7snVJYrI To whom it may concern, I am an idiot, unfortunately for the world, I have a internet connection and a fondness for beer....apologies for that. Thank you for you patience. Many people don't want the truth, they want constant reassurance that whatever misconception/fallacies they believe in are true.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mvsgas Posted April 19, 2016 Share Posted April 19, 2016 To whom it may concern, I am an idiot, unfortunately for the world, I have a internet connection and a fondness for beer....apologies for that. Thank you for you patience. Many people don't want the truth, they want constant reassurance that whatever misconception/fallacies they believe in are true.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mvsgas Posted April 20, 2016 Share Posted April 20, 2016 To whom it may concern, I am an idiot, unfortunately for the world, I have a internet connection and a fondness for beer....apologies for that. Thank you for you patience. Many people don't want the truth, they want constant reassurance that whatever misconception/fallacies they believe in are true.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mvsgas Posted April 22, 2016 Share Posted April 22, 2016 qsCa_Qhqt9w To whom it may concern, I am an idiot, unfortunately for the world, I have a internet connection and a fondness for beer....apologies for that. Thank you for you patience. Many people don't want the truth, they want constant reassurance that whatever misconception/fallacies they believe in are true.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mvsgas Posted April 23, 2016 Share Posted April 23, 2016 Some people consider the F-16 block system complicated. But the more I read and learn about different aircraft, the more I see how common the block system is, but for some reason we all (myself included) tend to ignore other aircraft blocks. It is also harder to find information. Some examples; F-4 Phantom (info taken from AirTime Publishing, F-4 Phantom Spirit in the skies) - Block 1 to 5- F-4A (A.K.A. F4H-1, later F4H-1F, 45 built) - Block 6 to 28- F-4B (F4H-1, 649 built) and all the modification of these like the EF-4B( one converted), NF-4B (2 conv), QF-4B( 25 conv), RF-4B (F4H-1P, 46 converted), early F-4C (F-110, 583 built) After this it gets convoluted with RF-4C (503 built), EF-4C( 36 conv), F-4D (825 built) - Block 31 to 67- F-4E (1389 built) - Now several other versions like the F-4EJ, F-4EJ kai, RF-4EJ, RF-4EJ kai, RF-4E, etc. - Other like the Navy F-4G (12 aircraft first flown in 1963) and the USAF F-4G (116, first flown in 1975) So many other versions and modification Other examples; P-47 (info from Dogfights by Tony Holmes) P-47B 171 built, P-47C (602 built) block 1 and 2 which are subdivided by RE (Farmingdale factory) and RA (for Evansville) P-47D Block 1 to 40 etc. etc. Imagine how complicated it is for aircraft like the BF/ME-109 or the Mig-21? Anyway, back to the videos; ssiqkcQNL7k YoYmTwkAesw To whom it may concern, I am an idiot, unfortunately for the world, I have a internet connection and a fondness for beer....apologies for that. Thank you for you patience. Many people don't want the truth, they want constant reassurance that whatever misconception/fallacies they believe in are true.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mvsgas Posted April 23, 2016 Share Posted April 23, 2016 To whom it may concern, I am an idiot, unfortunately for the world, I have a internet connection and a fondness for beer....apologies for that. Thank you for you patience. Many people don't want the truth, they want constant reassurance that whatever misconception/fallacies they believe in are true.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mvsgas Posted April 23, 2016 Share Posted April 23, 2016 (edited) Edited August 9, 2018 by mvsgas dead link To whom it may concern, I am an idiot, unfortunately for the world, I have a internet connection and a fondness for beer....apologies for that. Thank you for you patience. Many people don't want the truth, they want constant reassurance that whatever misconception/fallacies they believe in are true.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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