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If you put it like that, maybe not ... but there are other advantages conferred by the helmet, even if you don't have the correct missile.

 

For example, it's the equivalent of flying with labels on :D

 

Is there much of a point to have HMCS to lock something off bore-sight but not the missile to acquire it?

Well yes there is of course but it makes much more sense with a missile that looks more off bore sight as well.

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This is basically why I was being facetious. The F15 doesn't need help. Its a good plane.

 

It needs plenty of help, but I'm with Sweep on this one ... people don't realize that it isn't up to snuff to even the '89 specification, never mind '95 in terms of radar. It's a subset of the '72 APG-63 with some newer symbology and some half-finished TWS slapped on.

 

Not that I mind JHMCS + 9X at all. There's no reason to not have it.

 

The Hornet is going to have similar A2A performance, its a better dogfighter than the F15 no matter what, but so is the Mirage 2000.

 

Just no. If the radar stuff was modeled correctly, the eagle would be eating hornets for breakfast in BVR. And as for dog fighting, also no. Such blanket statements can only be issued for truly double-inferior airframes, and the eagle isn't one of those when compared to the hornet.

 

No reason to use up dev time to implement and test something that isn't needed or necessarily wanted by the users. There are other more pressing matters to attend to.

 

It's wanted by the users ... well, maybe not some users :)

 

(I can make the same argument about 'fixing the ER', adding PFMs to Su-33's and MiG-29s etc ... IMHO it's a silly argument).

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It's wanted by the users ... well, maybe not some users :)

 

(I can make the same argument about 'fixing the ER', adding PFMs to Su-33's and MiG-29s etc ... IMHO it's a silly argument).

 

Why is it a silly argument? Some features (especially those that have been promised and announced) should definitely have priority over others, or do you disagree with this?

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Honestly I cringe a little bit every time I see the word Balance on these forums. The problem with red side is it fundamentally could never be near the same spec as blue. Why? Because although it might be possible to build an early 2000s eagle. It would not be possible to build an early 2000s flanker, or fulcrum, and even if it were they would hardly be balanced. So if balance is the goal you can't have very modern fighters. You'd have to backtrack based on available data.

 

So with that in mind, Balance should not be the goal IMHO. I would rather have a super OP modern eagle as advanced as available data allows, since the real eagle is very OP.

 

I wouldn't want the Devs to sacrifice features that real aircraft can and does have for the sake of balance. Nor would I want the Devs to build an older version of the same aircraft for that reason.

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For now they just blind you when you fly in them but soon they will KILL YOU !!!

And the worst of it is that the trees DM is a maybe....

 

Trees are OP please NERF.

 

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Whilst I believe any aircraft in DCS should be modelled as realistic as feasibly possible, the F-15C we get has only basic systems management and a lot of them are missing something that isn't going to change anytime soon. That being said the Su-27 & MiG-29s we have have their HMS systems modelled so eh idk

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I was addressing the 'users don't necessarily want this' comment.

 

Why is it a silly argument? Some features (especially those that have been promised and announced) should definitely have priority over others, or do you disagree with this?

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Re: the "F-15Cs have it add it" style comments,

 

The Block Modeled by ED in FC3 Did not have JHMCS.

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Re: the "F-15Cs have it add it" style comments,

 

The Block Modeled by ED in FC3 Did not have JHMCS.

 

Any info on the specific timeframe our Eagle is from?

 

IIRC it was narrowed down to ~2000 or so, but is there anything official on that?

 

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Re: the "F-15Cs have it add it" style comments,

 

The Block Modeled by ED in FC3 Did not have JHMCS.

 

What block would that be? I don't recall seeing anything specific in the manual.

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Re: the "F-15Cs have it add it" style comments,

 

The Block Modeled by ED in FC3 Did not have JHMCS.

 

This x1000

 

That's the point I was trying to make when I mentioned the lack of basic A/G capabilities on our Eagle.

DCS modules are built up to a spec, not down to a schedule.

 

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I don't understand why people are so obsessed about all this low tech equipment, WWII and stuff. I actually like the high tech stuff like missiles and radar and such. What is the fun in only chasing people with guns. It takes away the magic of being a modern fighter pilot and the tactical aspect of deploying weapons.

 

I was just using his words to show how ridiculous i find that statement/opinion. And the magic i speak of is the magic he is talking about. Also it's way more challenging to do missiles and BFM instead of only BFM.

 

Talk to some real fighter pilots to put things into perspective for you. Radar, BVR, missiles, all cool up to some point, but "flying" a fighter still means acting on the controls and using skill and good physique to get on an enemie's six. That is magic to fighter pilots.

 

If your magic moment is trucking along, looking over your shoulder and fling a -9x at another plane, fine, totally up to you. It's just that most fighter pilots will disagree with you.

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That's the point I was trying to make when I mentioned the lack of basic A/G capabilities on our Eagle.

 

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good physique to get on an enemie's six

 

A good physique is usually all that I require to get on my six

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most fighter pilots will disagree with you.

 

Top priority of all fighter pilots/war fighters/emergency personnel/the guy in the cube next to me/bronies/my mom/the guy on the United flight is to go home alive. So anything that saves on saving life is going to be cherished.

 

Sometimes I over romanticize a bit as a DCS fanboi and think about the purity of a knife-fight; but the reality is as stated above.

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I agree with sweep and GG.

 

I would love to have it how ever there are more important things that need to be addressed in the eagle first..

 

like WHERE IS MY SUPERSEARCH

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I agree with sweep and GG.

 

I would love to have it how ever there are more important things that need to be addressed in the eagle first..

 

like WHERE IS MY SUPERSEARCH

 

+1 for SS

 

...and everything else that's either missing or inaccurate compared to the -34-1-3 :thumbup:

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It needs plenty of help, but I'm with Sweep on this one ... people don't realize that it isn't up to snuff to even the '89 specification, never mind '95 in terms of radar. It's a subset of the '72 APG-63 with some newer symbology and some half-finished TWS slapped on.

 

Not that I mind JHMCS + 9X at all. There's no reason to not have it.

 

 

 

Just no. If the radar stuff was modeled correctly, the eagle would be eating hornets for breakfast in BVR. And as for dog fighting, also no. Such blanket statements can only be issued for truly double-inferior airframes, and the eagle isn't one of those when compared to the hornet.

 

 

 

It's wanted by the users ... well, maybe not some users :)

 

(I can make the same argument about 'fixing the ER', adding PFMs to Su-33's and MiG-29s etc ... IMHO it's a silly argument).

 

so in that case we need to start a thread called "should F15C get its radar performance adjusted to proper spec or not?" :D

 

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If the real-life version of the DCS F-15C has or had the JHMCS then yes, we should have it in DCS. If it didn't then our F-15C shouldn't either. DCS should reflect reality, "balance" is meaningless in a sim like this and should have no place whatsoever in the development process. Simple as that.

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If the real-life version of the DCS F-15C has or had the JHMCS then yes, we should have it in DCS. If it didn't then our F-15C shouldn't either. DCS should reflect reality, "balance" is meaningless in a sim like this and should have no place whatsoever in the development process. Simple as that.

 

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The Flaming Cliffs planes just need to be gone, removed from DCS and replaced with full fidelity modules. They really shouldn't be mixed in with the "DCS level" aircraft imo.

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The Flaming Cliffs planes just need to be gone, removed from DCS and replaced with full fidelity modules. They really shouldn't be mixed in with the "DCS level" aircraft imo.

 

So your plan is to tell everyone that owns any, or all, of them that they no longer work in DCS World and they wasted their money. :doh:

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The Flaming Cliffs planes just need to be gone, removed from DCS and replaced with full fidelity modules. They really shouldn't be mixed in with the "DCS level" aircraft imo.

 

You can already remove them from your game...

 

Or are u mad that they hunt you down online..? You know, a high fidelity F-15C would have an even easier time of finding and engaging you.

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So your plan is to tell everyone that owns any, or all, of them that they no longer work in DCS World and they wasted their money. :doh:

 

You can already remove them from your game...

 

Or are u mad that they hunt you down online..? You know, a high fidelity F-15C would have an even easier time of finding and engaging you.

 

Both sides have an argument.. So here is my view on both sides take it how you will..

 

The argument against having fc3 inside of DCS is that those who fly fc3 can get in the plane have it loaded and airborne in roughly 3 minutes.. give or take a minute... This can be very aggravating when you're flying a full fidelity aircraft that takes double to triple the amount of time to get airborne if not quadruple[talking about proper INS ETC]. This is especially more irritating when you are constantly being pestered by one person who is clearly not skilled enough to be a real threat, but is one due to the time it takes him to re spawn and be back at you. By the way I am guilty of this.. Got shot down and was back in the fight with a new aircraft in ~5 mins. In the case of the f15 once you're in the aircraft and it spawned armed I can be moving in 30-35 seconds airborne in a minute. All it takes is getting the first engine spooled and you're rolling while spooling the second and turning on power and pre setting radar while taxing to runway.. Some people will just take off on the taxi way while the second turbine is still spooling. in those cases you can be airborne in well under a minute.

 

The argument you guys are making is that they paid for them and should be able to use them is sound.

 

 

In my opinion the times from startup till airborne for FC3 aircraft should be altered to reflect the times it takes for the real aircraft. In the event of a shoot down there should be a "cool down" period before re spawn is permitted.

 


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