JF-17 Thunder Discussions

6 hours ago, Low_Quality said:

Oh, I confused Pl-7 and Pl-8. I hope HMD will be provided before the end of this year

Unlikely. They said the going to add it once the Pakistan airforce added them to their block 1 fighters

2 часа назад, Mike_Romeo сказал:

Unlikely. They said the going to add it once the Pakistan airforce added them to their block 1 fighters

Well, no matter how much DCS is a simulator, sometimes linking to real life does not do anything good, in this case, the potential in the dogfight is reduced. Honestly, I am more inclined and hope that DEKA does not introduce HMD because they do not know what its display looks like, and not because Pakistan did not purchase them for the first block

9 hours ago, Low_Quality said:

Oh, I confused Pl-7 and Pl-8. I hope HMD will be provided before the end of this year

Sadly, JF-17 carried neither PL-7 or 8, only PL-5, AIM-9 and since recently on 17C, PL-10E.

49 минут назад, FlankerFan35 сказал:

Sadly, JF-17 carried neither PL-7 or 8, only PL-5, AIM-9 and since recently on 17C, PL-10E.

Maybe, I don't know, JF is very modern and 70% of the information is classified.
In theory, there should be no problems hanging the PL-8.
PL-5 are so terrible in the role of dogfight missiles for JF-17 vs 9X and P-73 that it's a shame to talk about it.

1小时前，Low_Quality说：

In theory, there should be no problems hanging the PL-8.

If so, you need to trade your pylons for SD-10 to carry it. PL-8 is too large and too heavy for normal IR missile points. When used on J-7, its weight caused severe stability problem after launch. The tip pylon of JF could be traced back to F-5F and only for sidewinder or its analogue before PL-10. On JH-7 with same tip pylons, you will find it carries both PL-5 and PL-8 simultaneously, only because the tip pylon can only carry PL-5.

Instead, I would imagine a PL-9. It's basically a python 3 made into an obese sidewinder shape to bypass the export limitation. Although still heavier than exact sidewinder, it seems more possible and practicable.

4 минуты назад, Torbernite сказал:

When used on J-7, its weight caused severe stability problem after launch

Funny, I didn't know Python 3 was so heavy. I assumed it should be heavier than Sidewinder, but not that heavy.

2小时前，Low_Quality说：

Funny, I didn't know Python 3 was so heavy. I assumed it should be heavier than Sidewinder, but not that heavy.

 

In fact, python 3/PL-8 may be the second heaviest AA missile (120 kg) used by MiG-21 analogues, even heavier than R-73(about 105 kg) and only lighter than R-77 used in India. While the sidewinder weighs a bit more than 80 kg iirc, and the early version lighter (J-7 uses PL-2 and PL-5 before PL-8, which can be traced back to AIM-9B/D respectively). The difference of weight is even smaller between python 3 and AIM-120 than between python 3 and sidewinder.

The main problem on J-7 is that PL-8 uses full length launch rail instead of drop pylon, and its weight causes too much impulse and recoil in launch. The launching disturbance, rocket gas and mass change cause the nose up and wing rise on the launched side. If you level off right away the smoke will choke the engine. This problem also happened when launching PL-2, but extremely severe with PL-8, sometimes causing over 40 deg roll. So 120 kg additional weight was added in the nose to balance the missile and strengthened wing frame before the double delta wing was introduced, and the normal operation is pull up and steer with the disturbance of launch, and level off after moving away from the smoke.

9 hours ago, Low_Quality said:

Maybe, I don't know, JF is very modern and 70% of the information is classified.
In theory, there should be no problems hanging the PL-8.
PL-5 are so terrible in the role of dogfight missiles for JF-17 vs 9X and P-73 that it's a shame to talk about it.

 

PL-5 may be less capable than 9X/73 but its more than enough in most situations.

1 час назад, FlankerFan35 сказал:

PL-5 may be less capable than 9X/73 but its more than enough in most situations.

Yes, but it's unpleasant when your rocket goes to flare three or four times more often than the enemy

8 hours ago, Low_Quality said:

Yes, but it's unpleasant when your rocket goes to flare three or four times more often than the enemy

You must be stealthy with your shots, or use SD-10s.

There is a very good reason that Israel can’t use Pythons on their wingtip rails for F-16A when they first started using them, and were forced to use up their AIM-9 stock until further upgrades of the F-16A were possible. 
 

Im pretty sure even in the past Uboats has said, the PL-8/9 is just too heavy for the wing tip pylon, so it’s not an option 

To quote Deka devs from a post long ago, “dreams are for when you sleep.” 

@uboats

I was doing so research and I was wondering if you knew the answer.

I have an old Aviation Week and Space Technology article. It refers to the KLJ-7 as a KLJ-3 with a smaller antenna. Janes claims the same thing but they call the KLJ-3 the KLJ-10, which I think is wrong. Is this true? Looking at both radars it doesn’t seem certain, I’m sure they have a lot of similarities coming from the same company but I can’t find anything definitive.

https://web.archive.org/web/20121028055642/http://articles.janes.com/articles/Janes-Avionics/KLJ-710-Fire-Control-Radar-FCR-China.html

Does JF have the same function as F16, with lock an opponent by datalink?

On 3/19/2023 at 11:51 AM, Low_Quality said:

Does JF have the same function as F16, with lock an opponent by datalink?

 

it does, ours doesn't.

13 часов назад, Napillo сказал:

it does, ours doesn't.

I wanna cry

Can you please help and tell me what each parameter is responsible for?null

9 minutes ago, Low_Quality said:

Can you please help and tell me what each parameter is responsible for?null

the english manual by Deka is not released yet, but that info is on Chuck’s Guide.

4 hours ago, Low_Quality said:

Can you please help and tell me what each parameter is responsible for?null

From upper left down: 

TGT MODE:

Target Of Opportunity (TOO) - use when you find something to bomb during the mission. An opportunity, not a planned attack. 
Pre Planned (PP, not shown)- Exactly what it says. A target you knew about, knew it’s location and have planned all along to attack 

OPTION

SNGL - one drop per Weapon Release press

PAIR - (not pictured) Drops a pair of whatever per Weapon Release press 

IMP AZ - you got me, I forgot (doh!)

OAP - forgot, sorry

Space: - if you drop a pair, or more, literally the timing between each individual both drop in the series 

IMP ANG - drawing a blank here. 
 

What’s your switchology during this presentation? If you tell me that, I’ll be able to deduce the fields that aren’t ringing a memory bell. The good news is the aircraft is very user friendly. Once you figure out this screen’s information, you’re going to get (basically) the same presentation for each air to ground weapon. You’ve made a great choice learning the most underrated and most complete module out there. 
 

let me know if I can help! 
 

hobo 1-1 on GAW, PGAW, TNN and Lima Kilo Levant 

9 hours ago, Hobo 1-1 said:

IMP AZ - you got me, I forgot (doh!)

Impact Azimuth

9 hours ago, Hobo 1-1 said:

OAP - forgot, sorry

I assume that's Offset Aiming Point

9 hours ago, Hobo 1-1 said:

IMP ANG - drawing a blank here. 

Impact Angle

Are there any dedicated JF17 Discords or communities out there? It would be great for all of this great knowledge to be accessible in another format other than this forum.

Agreed. Wish there was a BlueFor Jeff squadron. It really is an awesome module, I don't know why more don't fly it. My main squeezes are Jeff, F-14, and Huey. 

Is there a way to also jettison the pylons for the fuel tanks kind of like in the f-16? I also noticed that you can now jettison fuel tanks at mach0.89 where i thought that previously it was at around mach 0.85. Is there a official change log of all the new changes?

@Hobo 1-1 If you're EU or US you might be interested in joining https://discord.gg/MpZC4VZQa8

Most full fidelity modules are available, including Jeff, Viggen, Mirage 2000 and even Hind

5小时前，Leon.S说：

Is there a way to also jettison the pylons for the fuel tanks kind of like in the f-16? I also noticed that you can now jettison fuel tanks at mach0.89 where i thought that previously it was at around mach 0.85. Is there a official change log of all the new changes?

I think the speed limit was always 0.9 mach

How long will fix it?

And..

Will there be a "smooth" animation of the buttons in the cockpit?