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Old 09-19-2019, 08:37 AM   #1
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Default Is the Ka-50 still in service?

I have found some sources claiming that they are still in service and others like the World Airforces 2019 from Air Global dont mention them at all. The Russians opted for the Mi-28 but are the few produced Ka-50 still in service?

Any help regarding this would be great!

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Old 09-19-2019, 09:01 AM   #2
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No Ka-50 in service
We have Ka-52 instead
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Old 09-19-2019, 09:10 AM   #3
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So when has the last one been put out of service? And what happened to the Ka-50s? Have they all been scrapped or are they parked in a depot (in what condition?)?
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Old 09-19-2019, 01:31 PM   #4
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Afaik they're still flying to some limited extent, but it's difficult to confirm since it seems 90% of stuff I'm seeing don't distinguish between the 50 and 52 for some reason. I think it's just airshows and secondline stuff, though. They last saw action in the Chechnya wars back in the 90s, but unsure what happened after that.

For comparison, there are about a dozen 50s and 30-40 52s, so they are a sizable portion of the fleet. If they're still flying antiquated Hind variants, I don't see why they wouldn't also be flying the Ka-50 if they still have the parts to keep them in the air.
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Old 09-19-2019, 07:06 PM   #5
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There might be one or two flying.


If you do a quick google, you can find a few websites that track the KA-50 fleet and their fates. A lot of them are in semi-storage with rotors and tails removed last time I checked.
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That's exactly the problem with the Ka-50. Some say it's still active, some say it isn't...
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funny I was wondering the same thing yesterday... but yeah no clear answer it seems.
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Old 09-19-2019, 09:39 PM   #8
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The low numbers built alone preclude any realistic expectation of any being in operational service .
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Old 09-20-2019, 07:45 AM   #9
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… A lot of them are in semi-storage with rotors and tails removed last time I checked.
All the Ka-50s that were produced and were not crashed, all are in storage. The rest of the Ka-50s that were not completed, all redone in the Ka-52s.

List of the Ka-50 (in Russian).
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V-80 No.012 (1985 maiden flight). 2018 photo, the Mil Moscow Helicopter Plant. Planned installation in the form of a monument to the JSC Kamov.


Ka-50Sh No.18 (1991 maiden flight, 1997 as the Ka-50Sh). 2016 photo, the Flight-Test Complex in Zhulebino (Moscow City).


Ka-50 No.21 (1994 maiden flight), No.50 as a monument. 2017 photo, the monument in Arsenyev City (the Progress Helicopter Factory is located there).


Ka-50 No.25 (1990 maiden flight). 2015 photo, the 929th State flight testing center (Akhtubinsk City).


Ka-50 No.27 (2009 maiden flight). 2014 photo, the 344th Army Aviation Centre of aircrews combat training and transition (Torzhok City).
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Old 09-21-2019, 02:02 AM   #10
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Based on what I have read:

The plan had been for the lead a/c of each flight to be a 52 and the numbers made up of the 50, but this was conceived during the Cold War and loosely carried into the 90s along the same lines as the basic Fulcrum with a single Flanker or Foxhound lead in the old soviet doctrine of combating more expensive and complicated NATO birds like the composite/honeycombs with sheer numbers and only slightly diminished capability, making it up with a more advanced lead bird and datalink.

This entire philosophy has shifted in the RF, it is no longer the tactical doctrine, they lost most of the industrial satellites of the soviet era. Cheap/simple build Fulcrums are now an obsolete concept compared to a far more expensive newer variant in smaller numbers and similarly the 52 is more capable than the 50, the entirely new Russian game now is no longer a numbers game. Still got serious economic issues so replacing lineups is more complete on paper than in the field, but the doctrine has changed completely. They no longer think in terms of using satellite industry and Ukraine as a buffer.
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