Ground Force issues

Yeah, obviously its an early beta, and there's still some major bugs in there.

* Shooting smoke pods as an JTAC, I noticed that I have unlimited smoke with ultra precision. Is shooting smoke getting enhanced in future releases?

* Forests do not conceal ground forces and the AI begins shooting with missiles from T80s through them. Currently, there is no way to advance under concealment. Will forests be sight/missile blocker in future releases?

Never mind the forests, I've taken to hiding behind houses and popping out, waiting 5 seconds, popping back in, waiting in order to defeat those damned missiles and still they flatten the house in front of me and i'm sitting naked!

I'd just love the AI to miss every now and then :)

Invisible shouldn't even be an option in this type of game and should be removed. If a JTAC is in a position where he may come under fire before you have the chance to control him, then the JTAC isn't in a proper position. Let's go with realism and a challenge here. Place the JTAC forward, but still within cover and let the player dictate where he'll call fire from. Why not? There's no reason that the JTAC already has to be in position at the start of the battle. Let us do the work.

I know this is beta and I'm ok with bugs. But there's a lot of conceptual issues that need fixing. Assuming the intent here is realism. I do look forward to seeing the updates though, thanks.

Invisible shouldn't even be an option in this type of game and should be removed. If a JTAC is in a position where he may come under fire before you have the chance to control him, then the JTAC isn't in a proper position. Let's go with realism and a challenge here. Place the JTAC forward, but still within cover and let the player dictate where he'll call fire from. Why not? There's no reason that the JTAC already has to be in position at the start of the battle. Let us do the work.

 

I know this is beta and I'm ok with bugs. But there's a lot of conceptual issues that need fixing. Assuming the intent here is realism. I do look forward to seeing the updates though, thanks.

The option stays - it is up to the mission designer to use it or not.

Nate

It presents too much of a fault in the realism, and thus outcome of situations and even battles to stay - let alone be utilized in default missions. How can I even move my JTAC without feeling as though I'm cheating or have an unrealistic advantage over the battlefield? It'd be different if there was no other viable options, but there is.

The 'invisible' option is very useful. It is also an 'option' just like 'autorudder' in the P-51. If you don't like it, don't use it and/or don't play with people who do.

It presents too much of a fault in the realism, and thus outcome of situations and even battles to stay - let alone be utilized in default missions. How can I even move my JTAC without feeling as though I'm cheating or have an unrealistic advantage over the battlefield? It'd be different if there was no other viable options, but there is.

It is still no reason to remove the option from the sim. Again it is up to a mission designer to create whatever he wants.

As for the Included missions in CA - you can leave feedback here -> http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=91342

Nate

A JTAC would be under cover and camouflaged. The only way to simulate this is to make him invisible.

To the point that they can move into plain sight and not be fired upon? Also, they're not perfectly concealed all the time and aren't immune to taking fire. Sometimes they're even embedded with frontline units.

But, anyway it's fine. I don't want to derail the thread. Are there stock scenarios where the JTAC isn't invisible?

thx

You can disable the invisibility as shown in the attached pic.

Nate

Regarding the T-80's and M1's.

Have you tried the same scenario at night? The U.S. tends to use it's advantage in thermal and other night vision optics with it's armored vehicles.

Also, don't forget to look at the terrain, find a way to close the distance with your M1's, but keep the T-80's about 3000m away from the M1's. The advantage of the M1's Sabot round is that it traveles faster than the Refleks guided round of the T-80. So even if they see you at 3km and fire first, you and the other M1's actually have time to pinpoint them and knock them out, you'll see the Refleks round either slam into the ground short or explode in air when you hit them.

There are still some issues to contend with, but this is a beta, things will get worked out the more we all play and find problems for the team to work on.

*Edit* Tried a lot of scenarios with T-80's vs. M1A2 under different weather and times of day. The M1's do always lose against the T-80's at 3km, even when they get to fire first on the T-80's, day or night under good weather conditions. And both T-80's and M1's in stormy weather, while still able to clearly see each other will not engage in combat. Both sides are using "Excellent" crew settings.

To the point that they can move into plain sight and not be fired upon?

I think more so than ever (with combined arms) things like this require a bit of imagination on our parts as players.

I don't think I'm alone when I say that I want all this stuff to be perfect, but it's going to take a lot of time. All things considered I'd say that CA brings some amazing stuff in it's current state, even forgetting about the 1st person control of JTAC and other units

Maybe I could offer a solution. Make the unit invisible only when the unit is not moving. Or going very slowly. This can be done with triggers easy enough. You could get really fancy and add a moving trigger zone over the unit with a 1000 meter radius. If any enemy units enter that area unit is detected.

It can be done.

The AI seeing through forests is an acknowledged issue.

 

Nate

Someone also found a flag in the lua code that when changed prevents from see through trees and towns but cant find it. Anyone remember where that is.

Sure, I posted it in this thread:

http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=152085#5

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