Shadow KT Posted June 21, 2019 Share Posted June 21, 2019 (edited) We've all tried to play DCS at night and we know how it feels. It is a dark hole of a night, unless you got a full moon. Light sources barely produce any light/illumination. Runway lights, landing gear lights, cockpit lights, navigation lights (in the huey the navigation lights and strobe shine brighter inside the cockpit than on the outside) we have all seen the.... or rather... not seen them, because they barely cast any light. An eye adaption effect is also needed (the ability of the retina of the eye do adapt to different levels of light) I am just going to leave couple of examples: Black screen with a HUD simulator. https://streamable.com/lnx7e - No cockpit illumination from interior and exterior lights https://streamable.com/qf186 - Illumination with no moonlight, again missing from interior lights https://streamable.com/5mv1p - Illumination by moon light Click on the links for video The taxiway lights are actually on in that video hdDHVqT226I HrBzGEnUitE You can see even in this old airliner footage how much more light you can see form an airfield and form the landing light You can also see the illumination from the nav lights and the landing gear light from the intro of this Mover video. I know cameras are not the ideal way to make a point, but it is just an example, most of you have driven a car at night or flown at night in an airliner..... you know what I mean You can see town lights better than airfield lights, unless you use the zoom key (change POV), this should be changed ! PLEASE ! I am not even going to comment on the lights shinning trough aircraft and some of the texture and lights on the older modules.... Why are NIGHT modes used on lights ? So they don't blind you and be too bright at night when your eye is adapted to the low light environment.... in DCS you need all the brightness you can get.... You just cannot deny that there is an issue there Edited June 23, 2019 by Shadow KT 'Shadow' Everybody gotta be offended and take it personally now-a-days Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cik Posted June 21, 2019 Share Posted June 21, 2019 even the lights that do work do not work very well. the taxi lights barely illuminate anything, both the ones mounted on the aircraft and the ones mounted by the side of the taxiway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThorBrasil Posted June 21, 2019 Share Posted June 21, 2019 In fact the DCS at night is poor in detail. The lights are also poor in detail. I already created topics here talking about it and I was almost banned. |Motherboard|: Asus TUF Gaming X570-PLUS, |WaterCooler|: Corsair H115i Pro, |CPU|: AMD Ryzen 7 3800X, |RAM|: Corsair Vengeance LPX 32GB 3200MHz DDR4, |SSD|: Kingston A2000 500GB M.2 NVMe, |SSD|: Kingston 2.5´ 480GB UV400 SATA III, |SSHD|: Seagate Híbrido 2TB 7200RPM SATA III, |GPU|: MSI Gaming 980Ti, |Monitor|: LG UltraWide 34UM68, |Joystick 1|: Thrustmaster Hotas Warthog, |Joystick 2|: T.Flight Rudder Pedals, |Head Motion|: TrackIr 5. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadow KT Posted June 21, 2019 Author Share Posted June 21, 2019 lol one of the posts disappeared ?it doesn't say it got deleted :lol: 'Shadow' Everybody gotta be offended and take it personally now-a-days Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ebabil Posted June 21, 2019 Share Posted June 21, 2019 I always avoid play night scenarios, it feels like a space sim. just full moon is different FC3 | UH-1 | Mi-8 | A-10C II | F/A-18 | Ka-50 III | F-14 | F-16 | AH-64 | Mi-24 | F-5 | F-15E| F-4| Tornado Persian Gulf | Nevada | Syria | NS-430 | Supercarrier // Wishlist: CH-53 | UH-60 Youtube MS FFB2 - TM Warthog - CH Pro Pedals - Trackir 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadow KT Posted June 21, 2019 Author Share Posted June 21, 2019 This should be in the bug section to be honest, not in the wish list one 'Shadow' Everybody gotta be offended and take it personally now-a-days Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dav IRL Posted June 21, 2019 Share Posted June 21, 2019 I always avoid play night scenarios, it feels like a space sim. just full moon is differentCare to share time and date settings so I can experience full moon night flying please? Sent from my SM-T395 using Tapatalk 4.8 I7, 1080, TMW&T, SSD, VKB MK.IV. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sniper175 Posted June 21, 2019 Share Posted June 21, 2019 Care to share time and date settings so I can experience full moon night flying please? Sent from my SM-T395 using Tapatalk Google it, and when the moon is out full or not nights are amazing in dcs. I7-8700 @5GHZ, 32GB 3000MHZ RAM, 1080TI, Rift S, ODYSSEY +. SSD DRIVES, WIN10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dav IRL Posted June 21, 2019 Share Posted June 21, 2019 Google it, and when the moon is out full or not nights are amazing in dcs.What time and date settings do you use in the sim? Sent from my SM-T395 using Tapatalk 4.8 I7, 1080, TMW&T, SSD, VKB MK.IV. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sniper175 Posted June 21, 2019 Share Posted June 21, 2019 What time and date settings do you use in the sim? Sent from my SM-T395 using Tapatalk You seriously have to google it for the region you are flying and year. I7-8700 @5GHZ, 32GB 3000MHZ RAM, 1080TI, Rift S, ODYSSEY +. SSD DRIVES, WIN10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrayWolf Posted June 21, 2019 Share Posted June 21, 2019 What time and date settings do you use in the sim? Sent from my SM-T395 using Tapatalk https://www.timeanddate.com/moon/ Use that, works wonders for night mission full moon. Windows 10 Pro | i5-8600K | MSI Tomahawk Z370 | 48GB DDR4-3000 A-DATA (LED) | EVGA Superclocked 2 GTX 1080 8GB DDR5 | 256GB M.2 NVe A-DATA | 512GB M.2 NVe A-DATA | HP Omen 32" 2560x1440 | Thrustmaster Warthog, CH Pedals Oculus Rift S VR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ebabil Posted June 22, 2019 Share Posted June 22, 2019 Care to share time and date settings so I can experience full moon night flying please? Sent from my SM-T395 using Tapatalk Same locations First pic 15th June 2011 , 23:30 Second pic 2nd June 2011 , 23:30 FC3 | UH-1 | Mi-8 | A-10C II | F/A-18 | Ka-50 III | F-14 | F-16 | AH-64 | Mi-24 | F-5 | F-15E| F-4| Tornado Persian Gulf | Nevada | Syria | NS-430 | Supercarrier // Wishlist: CH-53 | UH-60 Youtube MS FFB2 - TM Warthog - CH Pro Pedals - Trackir 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dav IRL Posted June 22, 2019 Share Posted June 22, 2019 Same locations First pic 15th June 2011 , 23:30 Second pic 2nd June 2011 , 23:30 +1 exactly what I was looking for, thank you kindly. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk 4.8 I7, 1080, TMW&T, SSD, VKB MK.IV. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThorBrasil Posted June 22, 2019 Share Posted June 22, 2019 Care to share time and date settings so I can experience full moon night flying please? Sent from my SM-T395 using Tapatalk These dates work perfectly in DCS. http://www.iag.usp.br/astronomia/datas-de-mudanca-das-fases-da-lua |Motherboard|: Asus TUF Gaming X570-PLUS, |WaterCooler|: Corsair H115i Pro, |CPU|: AMD Ryzen 7 3800X, |RAM|: Corsair Vengeance LPX 32GB 3200MHz DDR4, |SSD|: Kingston A2000 500GB M.2 NVMe, |SSD|: Kingston 2.5´ 480GB UV400 SATA III, |SSHD|: Seagate Híbrido 2TB 7200RPM SATA III, |GPU|: MSI Gaming 980Ti, |Monitor|: LG UltraWide 34UM68, |Joystick 1|: Thrustmaster Hotas Warthog, |Joystick 2|: T.Flight Rudder Pedals, |Head Motion|: TrackIr 5. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
draconus Posted June 22, 2019 Share Posted June 22, 2019 Black screen with a HUD simulator I agree with almost all of this but from a ton of possible better examples you pulled out this one?! What exactly you were trying to see at black night, at 40k, nose 10 degree up? I mean beside beautiful stars view. Win10 i7-10700KF 32GB RTX3060 Rift S T16000M TWCS TFRP FC3 F-14A/B F-15E CA SC NTTR PG Syria Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadow KT Posted June 23, 2019 Author Share Posted June 23, 2019 I agree with almost all of this but from a ton of possible better examples you pulled out this one?! What exactly you were trying to see at black night, at 40k, nose 10 degree up? I mean beside beautiful stars view. It wouldn't matter what altitude the screenshot was from..... 20, 10, 5 thousand or on the ground.... The point is that you cannot see shit in your own plane. You just got some bright colored textures for light and no illumination, what so ever. https://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=3958364&postcount=251 also we got this, too bad it is only for the new maps 'Shadow' Everybody gotta be offended and take it personally now-a-days Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadow KT Posted June 23, 2019 Author Share Posted June 23, 2019 Another thing I cannot understand how the light and illumination from the moon works extremely well, but no other light source works like that ... 'Shadow' Everybody gotta be offended and take it personally now-a-days Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tippis Posted June 23, 2019 Share Posted June 23, 2019 Another thing I cannot understand how the light and illumination from the moon works extremely well, but no other light source works like that ... Presumably, the moon just ramps up a global illumination brightness value and everything moves out of the hard-clamped RGB(0,0,0) region. ❧ ❧ Inside you are two wolves. One cannot land; the other shoots friendlies. You are a Goon. ❧ ❧ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadow KT Posted June 23, 2019 Author Share Posted June 23, 2019 Presumably, the moon just ramps up a global illumination brightness value and everything moves out of the hard-clamped RGB(0,0,0) region. Don't know.... the moon actually illuminates your cockpit, where as, for example, a pole light on the ramp doesn't You can see what I mean in the first streamable link I've posted 'Shadow' Everybody gotta be offended and take it personally now-a-days Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
draconus Posted June 24, 2019 Share Posted June 24, 2019 Well, the altitude does matter because it changes the distance from objects. Also I don't agree that you should see much beside the stars on the black night (no moon) in the low populated areas like mountains or at the sea. Now the rest is just design choices because it's not the engine limitation. Some lights are set too low (like nav lights), some light distances are cut too fast (cities, airports), some are ditched altogether (airport poles give just textures on the ground under them) and other bleed through objects. Some of it is related to performance issues but there are good examples that things can be done and tweaked. Look at A-10C super strobes for example or Tomcat landing lights. Win10 i7-10700KF 32GB RTX3060 Rift S T16000M TWCS TFRP FC3 F-14A/B F-15E CA SC NTTR PG Syria Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadow KT Posted June 24, 2019 Author Share Posted June 24, 2019 Again.... what that particular screenshot was demonstrating was cockpit illumination, not ground.... I mean, try to read what I've posted first, please.... No one has said that you should be able to see clearly everything during a no moon night, read again..... but it shouldn't be pure black (like #000000) either.... 'Shadow' Everybody gotta be offended and take it personally now-a-days Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
philstyle Posted June 24, 2019 Share Posted June 24, 2019 Enabling the flashlight at night and pointing it at the canopy enables you to see stuff on on the ground, or the clouds, or distant mountains even . . . On YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/philstylenz Storm of War WW2 server website: https://stormofwar.net/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
draconus Posted June 24, 2019 Share Posted June 24, 2019 Again.... what that particular screenshot was demonstrating was cockpit illumination, not ground... Ok, the cockpit is perfectly readable as is the HUD. It's FC3 so you have cockpit lights on/off only. Beside Mig-29 the modules have not been touched since 1.5. The Su-25 cockpit though is poorly lighten. As for the night too black or too dark - seriously? No light sources means darkness. Win10 i7-10700KF 32GB RTX3060 Rift S T16000M TWCS TFRP FC3 F-14A/B F-15E CA SC NTTR PG Syria Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tippis Posted June 24, 2019 Share Posted June 24, 2019 As for the night too black or too dark - seriously? No light sources means darkness. The problem is that light sources somehow also mean darkness. ❧ ❧ Inside you are two wolves. One cannot land; the other shoots friendlies. You are a Goon. ❧ ❧ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadow KT Posted June 25, 2019 Author Share Posted June 25, 2019 Ok, the cockpit is perfectly readable as is the HUD. It's FC3 so you have cockpit lights on/off only. Beside Mig-29 the modules have not been touched since 1.5. The Su-25 cockpit though is poorly lighten. As for the night too black or too dark - seriously? No light sources means darkness. Please, try to read... for the third time, or I would ask you to stop posting, seriously .... Do you know what illumination is ? Did you watch any of the videos ? Explaining it to you for the last time..... Light illuminates, what we have right now, is not light. It is a bright texture in your cockpit which casts no light (or at least acts that way) and that is not only on FC, you can see it in the Hornet video as well. Same for post lights and the same for town lights. The moon is the only light source which acts as a light. There is almost no situation where there is completely no light and your eyes adapts to night. The instrument lights should illuminate the cockpit to a certain degree and it shouldn't be complete black. Even if you are flying over water, or a dessert with nothing in miles and you have your cockpit lights on, you should be able to see it (and NO, I do not mean see as in a bright day, so don't act stupid.... although it might not be acting) When you go out at night, or you wake up in the middle of night can you see your hands ?Answer me that.... because in DCS right now, if the moon isn't out, you ain't seeing shit. 'Shadow' Everybody gotta be offended and take it personally now-a-days Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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