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Old 01-22-2019, 01:18 AM   #1
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Default Verified pilots to highlight there posts

If its already been discussed then my apologies, i did some looking and didn't see anything like it

Verified Pilot Badge
RL pilots get a badge or similar to identify them (if they want) to other forum members as having the RL experience to allow their posts to be taken in better context the discussion.

Who gets them
With a basic Moderated handled verification process, any pilot who has experience with any aircraft for which there is a proper DCS Module or one to be released in the near future can elect to submit their info.

Why Now
As we are getting a number of modern hi fidelity modules and more on the way soon™ for which there are a number of community member that have flight experience on (hornet, tomcat, viper, etc). It seems to me that it would be a good time to see if we can try and allow their comments to stick out where appropriate.

What would users see
As a regular member, we would see either a badge or similar icon with their posts that shows them as 'Verified', and/or they could be in a slightly different color or shade to the font or the post box. The effects could vary, such as badges that always show on all of their posts, but a verified hornet drivers posts would only be different color/shades in the hornet sub forum. I had done vBulletin admin years, i think there's a few ways to do this.
Also i'm not saying all of these things should be done, or only these.. vBulletin (and vB Mods) really allow for a lot of different option.

What about non-pilots with RL experience?
I would really like to see something similar for ground crew members, but in order to keep it under control, it should be limited. We don't want someone getting a special badge identifying them as F-14 GC cause for a one week 15 years ago they helped changed the tires on 6 birds.. or something like that.
If this idea is taken up, then i would leave it to the ED team to how best to provide verification to those from the ground crew, who many times have just as much or more info on the actual systems and certain procedures.

I think this would help regular members better judge the replies from those that may have more real knowledge, and it would serve a second purposes of allowing those that want to participate a way of proudly showing off their service and expertise

We can discuss further if others think this is a good idea.. or not.

**Note - i didn't post this in the wish list thread cause i thought it was a bit larger than a wish list item, and might benefit from some discussion. **
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Old 01-22-2019, 08:43 PM   #2
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Interesting idea.

My initial thought is to reject it, though. I've been engaged in discussions with people identifying themselves as RL pilots, who I considered to be terribly clueless and condescending. And then there is a much higher number of people I suspect are pilots, or work in aviation, who have an insanely high degree of knowledge, and the desire to share that knowledge, without identifying their RL job.

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You suggest to limit this to pilots with experience on current or announced DCS modules. Many RL pilots will have a vast knowledge and the ability to share it, even though they've not flown any of the DCS modules IRL. Maybe they're Vietnam era pilots who transitioned to the airlines, or they fly for countries less represented in DCS.

And then, who is to say a VFR only rated PPL with a thousand hours experience is less of a pilot, or has less to say from a pilot perspective, than an F-16 guy in training?

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All things considered, I wouldn't mind this feature, but my guess is that people with this type of badge would then be referred to as god-like by some forum members, regardless of the content or credibility of their posts. I don't really see the gain. To put it differently, there's a whole bunch of forum members whose words I practically take for granted because I have come to value their contributions to this forum; a badge next to their name, or lack of such a badge, would not change this appreciation.

Then again, I'm not a RL pilot; maybe I'd see things differently if I was and had the option to gain such a badge.
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Old 01-22-2019, 11:39 PM   #3
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your comments are all valid, and i do understand that there could be issues with it, just like anything.

on point of getting 'verified', the intent was that the member would be able to privately provide some sort of basic info that would be enough to meet the requirements. so someone who is in training for an F-16 wouldn't be eligible until they meet the requirements (x number of hours, or years, or whatever). Again this would also apply to appropriate ground crew, someone who has enough time working on the bird to meet the requirements (whatever they might be)

anyone that has been around the forums a long time would not really need this because they would generally know the people already, but that is only a very small % of the user base.

So as an example: If someone posts a question in the F-86 forum, and gets three replies, one of which is from a member that has been verified as ground or pilot for that aircraft would be noticable. The same verified person posting a reply in the Fw-190 sub forum would not be identified as anyone authoritative so would hopefully prevent a false sense of authority in the reply.

again, how they are identified.. badge, icon, post block or text color highlighting, etc, there are many options would be kept to the applicable forum.

Its not perfect, i know. I just thought about it while reading some threads. In one thread i found out that a person was an experienced pilot, and as a result i went back to some previous threads with posts from him and it was helpful to know that his response was based on RL experience which in this case was valuable (it may not always be, but still)
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Old 01-23-2019, 01:02 AM   #4
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I agree with most of Yurgon's sentiments and I feel like it's a bad idea. What would be the criteria for verifying a pilot besides YouTube video proof? Sending pictures of a PPL or logbook? I wouldn't send a picture of my PPL that has my personal identifiable information to anyone.

In my opinion, civilian and military pilots are held to different standards by forum members. I've come to that impression by talking to some people in multiplayer Discord servers.

I've seen people online in multiplayer that work/worked around aircraft in their day job, trying to pass themselves off as said pilots of those aircraft and receiving a following. I say this, because when questioned they never say what air-frame they fly and say things even a maintainer would know. Sadly, this isn't even behavior limited to DCS. I've seen this kind of behavior before in people in aviation related jobs who aren't pilots. If someone is mentally ill enough to lie about being a pilot, they would probably try to get a hold of someone else's documentation and try to pass it off as their own or photo-shop it. That's my opinion anyway.

Plus, even if someone is a pilot there is always a difference in knowledge base with regards to who trained them, where they received aviation related education, hours flown, differences in air-frames flown, or even opinions about the same air-frame. Someone with 50 hours in a Cessna doesn't have the same knowledge base as a 2000 hour 737 Captain, who in turn doesn't have the same knowledge base as a military F-16 pilot. A lot of variables in this territory.

Also, some people won't believe what you say no matter what. I couldn't get a non-pilot in multiplayer DCS to understand an aircraft I've flown for pleasure before has been involved in 11 wars/conflicts, even though that information is easily available for everyone to see on the internet. That aircraft was the original World War 2 era T-6 Texan.
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Old 01-23-2019, 04:19 PM   #5
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From a personal data aspect, it's not workable, It's putting the onus on ED to hold private data about someone and perform some vetting process. And inherent in that, it's mainly American's personal and professional military data held on a Russian server without control. No offence, but the number of objections to this by one party would wreck any chance of it achieving success.

Mainly treat everyone as you would do in any Internet format, with any data. Cross reference the hell out of the information. Pilots happen to be fallible humans too, you know.
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Old 01-23-2019, 05:52 PM   #6
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yea i concede.
maybe in perfect world there would be something..

it was just a thought i had when reviewing some threads... and thought, man it would have been nice to know 30 minutes ago that the posts i was reading from 1 or 2 specific people were from people with real experience.

my thought with the verification was not to have ED hold, maintain or keep any data. I was just thinking if there could be some semi-straightforward way a forum moderator could do a validation without compromising security or privacy for a person that wanted to willingly participate.

Anyway, as i said i will concede.
It sounded good in my head initially, thanks for all the feedback
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Old 01-23-2019, 09:42 PM   #7
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i think its fairly easy to tell who is who because people in the know always have a particular way of talking about things
its a special x-factor that only comes from experience

also yurgons right
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Old 01-24-2019, 04:08 PM   #8
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I know 2 friends who tell me things I don't pass on, 1 is on here and does not say what he is or have done, trust me its way cool he prefers not to be known, even when were out he says he works in sainsburys lol
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Old 01-24-2019, 04:17 PM   #9
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my thought was that it was always to be voluntary, but regardless, i have conceded to it not being an acceptable idea
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