=DECOY= Posted February 10, 2019 Share Posted February 10, 2019 Yer Carlos who made the 3D model for the Farmer and is making the 23 is Cuban :) Water cooled i9-9900K | Maximus Code XI MB | RTX3090 | 64GB | HP Reverb G2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fl0w Posted February 10, 2019 Share Posted February 10, 2019 Yer Carlos who made the 3D model for the Farmer and is making the 23 is Cuban :) Does this mean that upon MiG-19P release, the Cuban team will go forward onto our beloved Flogger next? :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dFlow Posted February 11, 2019 Share Posted February 11, 2019 Does this mean that upon MiG-19P release, the Cuban team will go forward onto our beloved Flogger next? :D wishful thinking :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dehuman Posted February 11, 2019 Share Posted February 11, 2019 Does this mean that upon MiG-19P release, the Cuban team will go forward onto our beloved Flogger next? :D It means those of you in the USA can't buy it because of sanctions or whatever :smilewink: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dehuman Posted February 11, 2019 Share Posted February 11, 2019 I don't know if this link will work, but here is info on MiG-23ML modes: https://sites.google.com/site/sovietaircrafttech/mig-23/n003e/modes From that it sounds like BS III is a mode originally from the PVO's N006 ie unfiltered long range high altitude search. (A real kick in the teeth to all those who prescribe to the "PVO are strictly GCI until engagement" theory") Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JunMcKill Posted February 12, 2019 Share Posted February 12, 2019 Does this mean that upon MiG-19P release, the Cuban team will go forward onto our beloved Flogger next? :D I hope they release the MLA version including the R-24R/T, Cuba have both missiles in their inventory. as well R-27R/T for the MIG-29A. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
firmek Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 Does this mean that upon MiG-19P release, the Cuban team will go forward onto our beloved Flogger next? :D End of development = free resources is a quite common misconception. Especially with a small teams where it's easy to assume that the same team that did the development during the project will have to provide maintenance. Actually the result of having the same team to make a support of old project is that it ruins any scheduling as by their nature defects occur and have to be addressed ad-hock. In extreme cases such teams are not able to move forward with the new projects at all. In other words if the same team that worked on MiG-19 will work on MiG-23, lets hope they did a good job on the project so there are no bugs at all :) F/A-18, F-16, F-14, M-2000C, A-10C, AV-8B, AJS-37 Viggen, F-5E-3, F-86F, MiG-21bis, MiG-15bis, L-39 Albatros, C-101 Aviojet, P-51D, Spitfire LF Mk. IX, Bf 109 4-K, UH-1H, Mi-8, Ka-50, NTTR, Normandy, Persian Gulf... and not enough time to fully enjoy it all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harlikwin Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 It means those of you in the USA can't buy it because of sanctions or whatever :smilewink: Don't joke... You might be right... :cry: New hotness: I7 9700k 4.8ghz, 32gb ddr4, 2080ti, :joystick: TM Warthog. TrackIR, HP Reverb (formermly CV1) Old-N-busted: i7 4720HQ ~3.5GHZ, +32GB DDR3 + Nvidia GTX980m (4GB VRAM) :joystick: TM Warthog. TrackIR, Rift CV1 (yes really). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
probad Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 End of development = free resources is a quite common misconception. Especially with a small teams where it's easy to assume that the same team that did the development during the project will have to provide maintenance. Actually the result of having the same team to make a support of old project is that it ruins any scheduling as by their nature defects occur and have to be addressed ad-hock. In extreme cases such teams are not able to move forward with the new projects at all. more often the case it accounts for the "unresponsive" postlaunch support as the current monetization model favors new product throughput over existing product support. which is in the grand scheme, a good thing imo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sealpup Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 Don't joke... You might be right... :cry: This would probably come down to if they are a Cuban based team, or just there doing research. If it's the latter, they could probably fudge it. If its the former, not so much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harlikwin Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 more often the case it accounts for the "unresponsive" postlaunch support as the current monetization model favors new product throughput over existing product support. which is in the grand scheme, a good thing imo I guess it all depends on how complete the first product was in the first place. New hotness: I7 9700k 4.8ghz, 32gb ddr4, 2080ti, :joystick: TM Warthog. TrackIR, HP Reverb (formermly CV1) Old-N-busted: i7 4720HQ ~3.5GHZ, +32GB DDR3 + Nvidia GTX980m (4GB VRAM) :joystick: TM Warthog. TrackIR, Rift CV1 (yes really). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JunMcKill Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 This would probably come down to if they are a Cuban based team, or just there doing research. If it's the latter, they could probably fudge it. If its the former, not so much. I dont think the team is Cuban based, they have to be living abroad, maybe they have a friend in Cuba that is the one with the proper connections and do the research. Anyway, there are former Cuban MIG-23 pilots that live in Miami. Another one, Alberto Ley Rivas, who shot down the South African Mirage F1 in Angola is living in Cuba. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koty Posted February 26, 2019 Share Posted February 26, 2019 From that it sounds like BS III is a mode originally from the PVO's N006 ie unfiltered long range high altitude search. (A real kick in the teeth to all those who prescribe to the "PVO are strictly GCI until engagement" theory") That in fact is not a theory. It's just misrepresented. GCI is the prefered method, as it allows the MiG's to sneak in on the enemy and perform a sudden ambush; not because the migs would be blind otherwise. It's also not PVO-thing only; the front-line aviation would also use GCI preferably until merge. One thing to keep in mind with that is that real GCI doesn't only work in the Target-BRA mode, as in DCS, but also, let's call it, Intercept-BRA, where the GCI guides you to a position best suited for attack, while keeping you hidden from the enemy radars - because notching exists. And then once in range you turn on the radar, lock, launch, evac. Or even better, you use the IRST. :thumbup: It does however bust the myth that Soviets would be blind without it. On a different note... ...would be neat to also get the original M for some early 1970s shenanigans; would go along nicely with the MiG-21bis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jojo Posted February 26, 2019 Share Posted February 26, 2019 It isn’t that CCRP would have be blind without GCI, but if I compare Mirage 2000C Vs MiG 29A, I can clearly see that is ore designed around GCI use than Mirage 2000C which is more centred around the pilot. And then you have training and doctrine. What amount of time was given to GCI based tactics Vs the air fighter own tactic ? Yet France also did use GCI for homeland defence, and AWACS which is kind of the same. And you’re right, good GCI places you in good position for the engagement, not just toward the threat. Mirage fanatic ! I7-7700K/ MSI RTX3080/ RAM 64 Go/ SSD / TM Hornet stick-Virpil WarBRD + Virpil CM3 Throttle + MFG Crosswind + Reverb G2. Flickr gallery: https://www.flickr.com/gp/71068385@N02/728Hbi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfbite Posted February 27, 2019 Share Posted February 27, 2019 With the release of the Mig-19 being imminent, I hope we'll be seeing this developing soon. @Developers, is there anyway we can convince you to add an MLD or Mig-27K too? Please visit this thread and add a plus 1 to show support for getting a full fidelity Su-17/20/22 in game https://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=220572 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Кош Posted February 27, 2019 Share Posted February 27, 2019 MiG-27K would cost a good separate 60 bucks, no less. Will eagerly throw them into the screen. Damn, it even has brrrrrt ППС АВТ 100 60 36 Ф < | > ! ПД К i5-10600k/32GB 3600/SSD NVME/4070ti/2560x1440'32/VPC T-50 VPC T-50CM3 throttle Saitek combat rudder Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nexus-6 Posted February 27, 2019 Share Posted February 27, 2019 With the release of the Mig-19 being imminent, I hope we'll be seeing this developing soon. @Developers, is there anyway we can convince you to add an MLD or Mig-27K too? "The version that will be available is the MLA, why? because it's the version we have access to..." https://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=213395 Can't pretend fly as well as you can. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfbite Posted February 27, 2019 Share Posted February 27, 2019 "The version that will be available is the MLA, why? because it's the version we have access to..." https://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=213395 Not what I asked buddy, But yes I'm very excited for the MLA Please visit this thread and add a plus 1 to show support for getting a full fidelity Su-17/20/22 in game https://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=220572 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dudikoff Posted February 27, 2019 Share Posted February 27, 2019 (edited) Not what I asked buddy, But yes I'm very excited for the MLA But, that's exactly the answer to your question. If they had the docs for the MLD, they'd probably do that instead of the MLA. I would presume that the only reason they have the manuals for the MLA was that it was exported to some current NATO countries (but, it's just a guess as I don't know what the source is for those manuals). Some MLD's were exported, though, but those were not the same as the Soviet ones as they lacked the exterior changes to improve the maneuverability. Since the MiG-27K was not exported IIRC, I doubt those docs could be found. The MiG-27M was license made in India, but they still use it (albeit further modernized), so I doubt they're willing to share the manuals. Edited February 27, 2019 by Dudikoff i386DX40@42 MHz w/i387 CP, 4 MB RAM (8*512 kB), Trident 8900C 1 MB w/16-bit RAMDAC ISA, Quantum 340 MB UDMA33, SB 16, DOS 6.22 w/QEMM + Win3.11CE, Quickshot 1btn 2axis, Numpad as hat. 2 FPH on a good day, 1 FPH avg. DISCLAIMER: My posts are still absolutely useless. Just finding excuses not to learn the F-14 (HB's Swansong?). Annoyed by my posts? Please consider donating. Once the target sum is reached, I'll be off to somewhere nice I promise not to post from. I'd buy that for a dollar! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vampyre Posted February 27, 2019 Share Posted February 27, 2019 "The version that will be available is the MLA, why? because it's the version we have access to..." https://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=213395 So, would it be a safe bet to assume you have access to a MiG-23BN as well? Truly superior pilots are those that use their superior judgment to avoid those situations where they might have to use their superior skills. If you ever find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck! "If at first you don't succeed, Carrier Landings are not for you!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JunMcKill Posted February 27, 2019 Share Posted February 27, 2019 (edited) So, would it be a safe bet to assume you have access to a MiG-23BN as well? Yes the manual is online in Russian and original, the ones of the models BN/ML/MF, and UB too Edited February 27, 2019 by JunMcKill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nexus-6 Posted February 27, 2019 Share Posted February 27, 2019 So, would it be a safe bet to assume you have access to a MiG-23BN as well?You'll have to ask RAZBAM. I haven't promised anyone a MiG-23. :) Can't pretend fly as well as you can. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nexus-6 Posted February 27, 2019 Share Posted February 27, 2019 Not what I asked buddy, But yes I'm very excited for the MLA "...because it's the version we have access to..." If they could swing the MLD or MiG-27, then it follows that they would be building them instead of giving us the MLA. :smilewink: Can't pretend fly as well as you can. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harlikwin Posted February 27, 2019 Share Posted February 27, 2019 But, that's exactly the answer to your question. If they had the docs for the MLD, they'd probably do that instead of the MLA. I would presume that the only reason they have the manuals for the MLA was that it was exported to some current NATO countries (but, it's just a guess as I don't know what the source is for those manuals). Some MLD's were exported, though, but those were not the same as the Soviet ones as they lacked the exterior changes to improve the maneuverability. Since the MiG-27K was not exported IIRC, I doubt those docs could be found. The MiG-27M was license made in India, but they still use it (albeit further modernized), so I doubt they're willing to share the manuals. Yeah pretty much this. AFAIK they have access to a Cuban MLA, so thats what we get. I'd rather get the MLD, for the sole reason it would be the pinnacle of pre 4th gen red air, otherwise the MLA was used by way more countries, so its the better choice in that regard anyway. New hotness: I7 9700k 4.8ghz, 32gb ddr4, 2080ti, :joystick: TM Warthog. TrackIR, HP Reverb (formermly CV1) Old-N-busted: i7 4720HQ ~3.5GHZ, +32GB DDR3 + Nvidia GTX980m (4GB VRAM) :joystick: TM Warthog. TrackIR, Rift CV1 (yes really). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatefury Posted February 27, 2019 Share Posted February 27, 2019 MIG-27 is a separate aircraft anyway and would be a logical next step for this team after the MIG-23 assuming they get access to data and they are allowed to even model a 27. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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