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That's quite a pull :joystick:

it's really eye opening to see the actual physical "struggle" a pilot has to go in some maneuvers, something we can only imagine while playing TopGun in our favorite FlightSim

but isn't it computer generated resistance with FBW? you don't actually move anything, just ordering the computer

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but isn't it computer generated resistance with FBW? you don't actually move anything, just ordering the computer

In the F16 you have a theoretically "unlimited" resistance as the stick doesn't move almost at all, and the little move it has has completely no effect on control surfaces.

You input data to the FBW for the corrections you want to make via the pressure sensors in the stick. The more you push/pull the higher the pressure is applied and is fed to the FBW that will then make all its calculations and decide how much and in what manner deliver to the actual control surfaces via the hydraulics.

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In the F16 you have a theoretically "unlimited" resistance as the stick doesn't move almost at all, and the little move it has has completely no effect on control surfaces.

You input data to the FBW for the corrections you want to make via the pressure sensors in the stick. The more you push/pull the higher the pressure is applied and is fed to the FBW that will then make all its calculations and decide how much and in what manner deliver to the actual control surfaces via the hydraulics.

so why would you program the stick to be too strong for one hand?

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so why would you program the stick to be too strong for one hand?

To filter out as much as possible any unwanted inputs under high-g loads is my guess

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I know a guy who has flown on an F-16 once and he said the controls felt surprisingly light.

 

They are very light, flew it a few times from the backseat (not a pilot). Didn't take much effort to move the jet, hell I accidentally kicked the rudder during the base turn to final. Gave the pilot a little surprise. :pilotfly: Couldn't feel the rudder pedal, it was that light of an action. Moving the stick for aerobatics was simple light pressure, but when you wanted to pull some G's well you better increase the strength in the pull. :joystick:

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This principle is nicely illustrated in the following video (~5:40)...

 

And also shows you exactly why perfectly modeling a sim just like the real aircraft means you invariably rip wings off or end up in a deep accelerated stall whenever you try to pull up quickly.

 

YOU have to make up for that lack of response in an unintuitive way.

 

While the real F-16 is a Force sensitive FBW, I would still want to fly it in DCS with FFB just so there was some way to feel what the aircraft was doing. Classic Fidelity vs. Usability.

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And also shows you exactly why perfectly modeling a sim just like the real aircraft means you invariably rip wings off or end up in a deep accelerated stall whenever you try to pull up quickly.

 

YOU have to make up for that lack of response in an unintuitive way.

 

While the real F-16 is a Force sensitive FBW, I would still want to fly it in DCS with FFB just so there was some way to feel what the aircraft was doing. Classic Fidelity vs. Usability.

One of the advantages of a FBW system that you basically can't rip the wings off or stall the airplane, regardless how fast and/or strong you pull.

 

What lack of response do you mean? Response is instant and FFB wouldn't change a thing if the required force would be 1lbs or 100lbs. If you e.g. need the maximum pitch rate, you simply pull the stick fully aft.

 

In most (if not all) FBW planes you don't feel what the plane is doing. When I flew my first FBW airplane IRL this lack of feel was really disappointing since it feels more like playing ace combat than flying a real plane.

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It would be interesting to know why Soviets/Russia has not taken side stick in use...

 

Or most aircraft manufacturers for that matter. The vast majority of modern combat aircraft still have a center stick.

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FBW really comes into play in very unstable aircrafts (on purpose, as lack of stability makes for better manouverability, within reason ofc).

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Oh, the Sukhoi Su37 has got a sidestick, right according to F16...

 

Yes, one demonstrator but not taken in production.

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