Jaktaz Posted March 21, 2017 Share Posted March 21, 2017 The F14 was deployed in Vietnam at the very end altho it didnt see any combat :) I've never heard of this. During the actual war? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
addde Posted March 21, 2017 Share Posted March 21, 2017 I've never heard of this. During the actual war? yep :) http://www.anft.net/f-14/f14-history-combat.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kev2go Posted March 21, 2017 Share Posted March 21, 2017 Just look at the previous page that assumption is incorrect. however in the case of the f4. Besides a full fidelty F4e & S exist made by milviz in FSX. Yea not classified afaik and assuming a developer has the necessary $$ they could get a license for it, as did MIlviz. At this rate a bigger limiting factor is Ground radar. only Heatblur has made one for the viggen , whilst all other 3rd parties are waiting on the In house solution ( ED' a2g mappiung code for the hornet) and thus some aircraft that did have a2g radar are on hold or simply put on the end of a development roadmap for that limitation. Build: Windows 10 64 bit Pro Case/Tower: Corsair Graphite 760tm ,Asus Strix Z790 Motherboard, Intel Core i7 12700k ,Corsair Vengeance LPX DDR4 64gb ram (3600 mhz) , (Asus strix oc edition) Nvidia RTX 3080 12gb , Evga g2 850 watt psu, Hardrives ; Samsung 970 EVo, , Samsung evo 860 pro 1 TB SSD, Samsung evo 850 pro 1TB SSD, WD 1TB HDD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koty Posted May 26, 2017 Share Posted May 26, 2017 Let me ask you this - why would anyone go into the lengths of producing a period/conflict specific map, when there is no conflict specific plane? Let's say Razbam actually makes the 19S (They did say they might do it, if they get enough time/sources/resources), then we would have F-5E (would need ornance extension iirc) and MiG-19S. There is A-4 in works. And that's it. And MiG-19S was kind of niche in Nam. While a good starting point, for Vietnam, we would need LN to expand their 21bis into at least MF (similar fuel system and cockpit - that would simulate 1975 version, early version would be a tad bit different) - the biggest difference being the radar equipment (and things connected to that), being modernized RP-21 radar, not RP-22 (thus no need for cooling, similar range, different power output). Which makes one wonder - is it really worth it? Because you would either be selling two similar planes for some $40 each - or sell both under one item, but a bit more expensive. I am not saying DCS:VietNam is impossible, just highly unlikely at the moment. Much more likely would be Iran-Iraq war ;) You see - we got MiG-21bis, F-14 in production, F-5E, FC3:Su-25... that has more potential. And F-4E would fit right in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asla36 Posted May 26, 2017 Share Posted May 26, 2017 Let's say Razbam actually makes the 19S (They did say they might do it, if they get enough time/sources/resources), then we would have F-5E (would need ornance extension iirc) and MiG-19S. There is A-4 in works. And that's it. And MiG-19S was kind of niche in Nam. The MiG-19S was never deployed in the conflict, but a Chinese copy of it was.:smartass: DCS: MiG-23 [sIGPIC] [/sIGPIC] Make it happen, and take my money! :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dehuman Posted May 26, 2017 Share Posted May 26, 2017 (edited) No F-5E-3's in 'Nam either Razbam MiG-19 is confirmed and under active development nothing "might" about it. Iran-Iraq would be nice and all but there's already a map with Iran under development Edit: Mediterranean, don't think there's anything that wouldn't be at home on a map there. Edited May 26, 2017 by Dehuman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
probad Posted May 26, 2017 Share Posted May 26, 2017 (edited) and unfortunately the 19s is the more famous 19/j-6 that saw action in the africa, asia, and middle east. Razbam MiG-19 is confirmed and under active development nothing "might" about it. they're developing the 19p, 19s is a very tentative maybe Edited May 26, 2017 by probad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koty Posted May 26, 2017 Share Posted May 26, 2017 and unfortunately the 19s is the more famous 19/j-6 that saw action in the africa, asia, and middle east. they're developing the 19p, 19s is a very tentative maybe There are two variants of the Chinese J-6. The early one, being direct copy of MiG-19S (and that one saw combat in Vietnam) and modernized one with the distinctive "sting" - an upgraded drag-chute bay that was now on the vertical stab. instead of under the fuselage. As for MiG-15, I have never ever heard of MiG-15/15bis even serving with VPAF - only a few 15UTI's. As for someone mentioning lack of RWR on early 21's, that is of course false, as even F-13 had at least SPO-2 (antene on the top of tail). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kev2go Posted May 26, 2017 Share Posted May 26, 2017 (edited) http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/vietnam/nva-nvaf.htm https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mikoyan-Gurevich_MiG-15 true they technically served in the vietnamese air force, but dont confuse it with they saw comba, which is contrary to reality, as in actuality there is no recorded evidence to support this. Mig15s & UtI's were just being used as trainers by the VPAF, and not actual combat usage. Only Mig17's ever took the skies against american combat aircraft. Prior to 1965, Americans were still technically playing an advisory role, and major aerial ops such as rolling thunder did not begin either until March of 1965 along with the first dedicated deployment of Combat troops. Edited May 26, 2017 by Kev2go Build: Windows 10 64 bit Pro Case/Tower: Corsair Graphite 760tm ,Asus Strix Z790 Motherboard, Intel Core i7 12700k ,Corsair Vengeance LPX DDR4 64gb ram (3600 mhz) , (Asus strix oc edition) Nvidia RTX 3080 12gb , Evga g2 850 watt psu, Hardrives ; Samsung 970 EVo, , Samsung evo 860 pro 1 TB SSD, Samsung evo 850 pro 1TB SSD, WD 1TB HDD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carss Posted May 27, 2017 Share Posted May 27, 2017 I volunteer at the Oakland Aviation Museum. I met an A-6 Intruder pilot there who actually shot down a Mig-15 in Vietnam. And I asked him to confirm whether it was a 15 or a 17 and he said yes it was a 15 not a 17, and even his copilot confirmed it was a 15. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Planes: FC3, P-51, F-86, F-5E, Mirage 2000, F/A-18, F-14, F-16, Mig-19P :joystick: ED pls gib A-4 and F-4 :cry: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kev2go Posted May 27, 2017 Share Posted May 27, 2017 (edited) That's the thing though. "Technically" is good enough. We have a sandbox sim, just because they weren't used in combat, doesn't mean we can't use them in the sim if we get a Vietnam theater and still play historically accurate scenarios to top it off. Not for everybody. For another example the Vietnamese used some Mig21MF late in the war, But not the BIS, even though the BIS entered service in 1972 within the time period of the Vietnam war. I know for some people exact variation of an aircrafty may be unimportant, but as it stands the Mig21 Variation is Not Vietnam era, and similar;y just how "technical;y" South Vietnamese did Fly the F5E ( the E1) but not the F5E3, given Its IP/ALR 1310 RWR, and aim9P5 would make it a late 70s- early 80s aircraft. In any case even if these late war variations, a mig15 encounter in late Vietnam war period circa 1972 operation linebacker seems even less likely. I think accuracy to appropriate theaters something that quite a bit of DCS users do not neglect, because with enough pressure from the community ED is did say theydenvetually Remodel the current P51D ( which is a 1945 D30 and from the PTO) to match a 1944 era ETO P51D for example ( which would include swapping out the Block 30 for a block 20 or 25 for historical accuracy) Edited May 27, 2017 by Kev2go Build: Windows 10 64 bit Pro Case/Tower: Corsair Graphite 760tm ,Asus Strix Z790 Motherboard, Intel Core i7 12700k ,Corsair Vengeance LPX DDR4 64gb ram (3600 mhz) , (Asus strix oc edition) Nvidia RTX 3080 12gb , Evga g2 850 watt psu, Hardrives ; Samsung 970 EVo, , Samsung evo 860 pro 1 TB SSD, Samsung evo 850 pro 1TB SSD, WD 1TB HDD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
some1 Posted May 27, 2017 Share Posted May 27, 2017 The F-5E was used in the Vietnam War. As a matter of fact, the Soviets captured and flight tested an F-5E that had been captured from an airbase during the war. One of them even ended up in a museum in Poland, but they didn't see much combat use in the conflict. And if we want to get so specific about aircraft versions, we don't have Mi-8 in DCS, we have Mi-8MT commonly known outside Russia as Mi-17. ;) Anyway, we had a similar discussion not so long ago in the Razbam F-105 thread. Hardware: VPForce Rhino, FSSB R3 Ultra, Virpil T-50CM, Hotas Warthog, Winwing F15EX, Slaw Rudder, GVL224 Trio Throttle, Thrustmaster MFDs, Saitek Trim wheel, Trackir 5, Quest Pro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koty Posted May 28, 2017 Share Posted May 28, 2017 Not for everybody. That Not to mention that again - you want a specific historical map - without a specific historical plane... If you can make a do with different version of plane, why not over Kuban and Caucassus... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dimitrischal Posted May 28, 2017 Share Posted May 28, 2017 That Not to mention that again - you want a specific historical map - without a specific historical plane... If you can make a do with different version of plane, why not over Kuban and Caucassus... A theater map provides a reference point for specific types to be developed for DCS eg Vietnam era planes over Vietnam. Since module development isn't easy some concessions have to be made at least at first. A specific map does not only offer accurate geography and ambience but in an ideal simulator enviroment accurate weather depiction specific to the area as well, a factor easily overlooked in DCS single and multiplayer aspects. So flying over caucausus and petending its vietnam... Nah... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
probad Posted May 29, 2017 Share Posted May 29, 2017 vietnam map or not the point does stand that dcs isn't anywhere close to having a head start on a vietnam theater proper as some people would like to think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WinterH Posted May 29, 2017 Share Posted May 29, 2017 What probad has said above is true. If we look at what exists in DCS, as well as what is in development or planned even, the Vietnem conflict has almost the same relevance to DCS as the battle of yavin, or battle of the five armies... Pretending Caucasus to be Vietnam makes more sense than pretending later aircraft are Vietnam era ones. Even the immediately following versions of the aircraft from either side had leaps in capability compared to what was in the 'Nam. Aircraft from that war are represented so far in later versions that fit more into 70s-80s potentially beyond, and I prefer any that follow to stick to this. Any aircraft or terrain module would be an orphan product, and wpuld take probably almost half a decade untill there are enough content to make viable scenarios in. Sent from my ASUS_Z00ED using Tapatalk Wishlist: F-4E Block 53 +, MiG-27K, Su-17M3 or M4, AH-1F or W circa 80s or early 90s, J35 Draken, Kfir C7, Mirage III/V DCS-Dismounts Script Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balzarog Posted August 23, 2017 Share Posted August 23, 2017 (edited) Iwo Jima is their next map if remember correctly Please forgive me for this stupid question, but why Iwo Jima? Iwo Jima is a very small island (about 9 square miles) with, I believe two airfields. Basically, the only airplanes that used those airfields were the P-51 and the B-29 (B-29s landed there only when damaged or low on fuel). Would the P-51s be escorting B-29s to bomb Japan? What purpose would be served by an Iwo Jima map? Edited August 23, 2017 by Balzarog When all else fails, READ THE INSTRUCTIONS! i-7 8700K Coffee Lake 5 GHz OC CPU, 32GB Corsair 3200 RAM, GTX1080 Ti 11Gb VRAM. Controls - Thrustmaster Warthog H.O.T.A.S., Saitek Pro rudder pedals, TrackIR 5, Oculus Rift S, Rift CV1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WinterH Posted August 23, 2017 Share Posted August 23, 2017 Probably would be as a relatively easy first map to learn the ropes, but as far as I recall, 3rd party map projects are shelved now. Sent from my ASUS_Z00ED using Tapatalk Wishlist: F-4E Block 53 +, MiG-27K, Su-17M3 or M4, AH-1F or W circa 80s or early 90s, J35 Draken, Kfir C7, Mirage III/V DCS-Dismounts Script Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rogonaut Posted August 23, 2017 Share Posted August 23, 2017 having some wrong versions of planes and a vietnam map is still better than having none and flying them in caucasus or any other map, as we do now, where they partly never saw action and we still do enjoy it;) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackmckay Posted October 12, 2017 Share Posted October 12, 2017 Thumbs up for Vietnam. But recently discovered, ED buys complete 3D models and computes animations and flight physics on brought models. That's been done by them. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carss Posted October 12, 2017 Share Posted October 12, 2017 If Vietnam can be a plan, I really hope a couple of Century series fighters like the F-104 or F-105 can be there [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Planes: FC3, P-51, F-86, F-5E, Mirage 2000, F/A-18, F-14, F-16, Mig-19P :joystick: ED pls gib A-4 and F-4 :cry: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goa Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 honestly i dont care about vietnam maps, i want EX jUgoslavia theater with northen adriatic,alps,coastline of Italy, Slovenia, croatia, it would be ****ign awesome. CPU : Intel i7 8700k@5.0ghz cooled by Noctua NH-D15 / Motherboard:Asorck Z370 Taichi / RAM: 32GB GSkill TridentZ @3600mhz / SSD: 500GB Nvme Samsung 970 evo+1 TB Sabrent Nvme M2 / GPU:Asus Strix OC 2080TI / Monitor: LG 34KG950F Ultrawide / Trackir 5 proclip/ VIRPIL CM2 BASE + CM2 GRIP + F148 GRIP + 200M EXTENSION /VKB T-Rudder MKIV rudder /Case: Fractal Design R6 Define black Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seaside Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 I suppose someone could do a modern Vietnam map. That map could be used for earlier scenarios for people wanting to sim the Vietnam war. After all, the plane models are not exactly correct either. Personally I'm happy with any useful maps/planes :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bin801 Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 waitting for Vietnam scenery for long long time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bin801 Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 having some wrong versions of planes and a vietnam map is still better than having none and flying them in caucasus or any other map, as we do now, where they partly never saw action and we still do enjoy it;) Totally agree Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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