Non working springloaded switches in OpenBeta 2.5.4.26368 (2019.01.16)

And don't come with stable / beta, no one is using stable.

Your statement is incorrect. The squadron I'm part of is only using the release version so we are not impacted by small bugs like this.

This sentence is so funny I don't know what to add :lol: .

Sorry, but when I look at the MP serverbrowser and I see 10 servers in the stable, and 100+ in the beta, I'm asueming that the beta seems to be the important version and no one cares about the stable...

However, I still have the opinion that mistakes like that should not be allowed to happen. And that their would have been more important things to do.

Sorry, but when I look at the MP serverbrowser and I see 10 servers in the stable, and 100+ in the beta, I'm asueming that the beta seems to be the important version...

And you know for a fact that all the DCS users are flying in open multiplayer servers ?

Sorry, but when I look at the MP serverbrowser and I see 10 servers in the stable, and 100+ in the beta, I'm asueming that the beta seems to be the important version...

While that is true, this shouldn't be of any concern to developers. Beta's intended use can be seen here.

And since we had this discussion ad nauseam here, I'm out.

And since we had this discussion ad nauseam here, I'm out.

I'm sad these topics get derailed with untrue statements like that, it really makes the forum an un-plaisant place to browse.

Although this is off topic again (please point me in the right direction if you know the good thread to talk about that, I didn't find any), I'll try again to express what a lot of people seams to feel.

We all know what Beta is for. We understand errors and bugs can slip through. We are not debating that.

What does bother me alot here is the level of amateurism Razbam is displaying regarding their modules updates. Each time they produce something, it is breaking something else. We are talking Quality Control process failure here.

I am quoting : "Although this first goes through both internal and closed-external testing, it is possible for errors to slip through".

What is said here without having to spell things out is there is at least two more branches to the tree : Dev, Nightly Build and the two public ones Beta and Stable.

How such bugs as those debated here (motion speed, knobs doing weird stuff, secured swiches that can be actuated through their secure caps) have been through all those layers without been spotted by the "Test Team", if such thing exists at Razbam's?

Some of you guys are very conscilient with Razbam's way of doing things. I'm part of those who are tired of it and I have the right to express it without beeing thrown in the mud by you almight forum lords, nor beeing censored for saying it.

I don't expect you to understand, but as a customer, I expect more consideration.

In my last, already censored, comment on this forum, I was expressing concerns about Razbam's future. One could tell me they are doing fine and it is not of my business. But I can't stop thinking how will they do an Eagle E with so many complexe systems if they can't manage switches in the Mirage.

Once again, you are asking premium price for you products, please Razbam, deliver premium products. And please don't talk to me about other modules history, this should not be a race to the bottom. It's not because the others are lame that it should be a standard.

Thank you for having reading me.

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Hangon, just pulling the 'cliche' card....

Its a Beta build!

I am quoting : "Although this first goes through both internal and closed-external testing, it is possible for errors to slip through".

What is said here without having to spell things out is there is at least two more branches to the tree : Dev, Nightly Build and the two public ones Beta and Stable.

 

How such bugs as those debated here […] have been through all those layers without been spotted by the "Test Team" ?

This is one question that need to be answered by Razbam.

Also, I think we reached a point where they promised so much and never kept their word that it becomes more and more difficult to be optimistic about the future. These questions are legimitates as we are customers and Razbam's backers.

And you know for a fact that all the DCS users are flying in open multiplayer servers ?

Well, the only ones that matter, anyways.

And another thread derailing.

Thanks

"Non working springloaded switches" please....

And another thread derailing.

 

Thanks

 

"Non working springloaded switches" please....

You are right. Back to topic:

I am quoting : "Although this first goes through both internal and closed-external testing, it is possible for errors to slip through".

What is said here without having to spell things out is there is at least two more branches to the tree : Dev, Nightly Build and the two public ones Beta and Stable.

 

How such bugs as those debated here […] have been through all those layers without been spotted by the "Test Team" ?

This is one question that need to be answered by Razbam.

 

Also, I think we reached a point where they promised so much and never kept their word that it becomes more and more difficult to be optimistic about the future. These questions are legimitates as we are customers and Razbam's backers.

I would highly appreciate an answer from Razbam.

And another thread derailing.

 

Thanks

 

"Non working springloaded switches" please....

To me the topic is "Hey Folks, we made a new update but it is unfortunately buggy (Non working springloaded switches), here's the way to fix it".

And we are discussing the "It's buggy" part.

If I was to open a new thread on this off-topic subject, it would go into a flame war in an instant, the topic would be closed and we would not be talking about it.

I would be very thankfull to anyone who can tell me how we can talk about this without it been censored or denigrated.

To me the topic is "Hey Folks, we made a new update but it is unfortunately buggy (Non working springloaded switches), here's the way to fix it".

And we are discussing the "It's buggy" part.

If I was to open a new thread on this off-topic subject, it would go into a flame war in an instant, the topic would be closed and we would not be talking about it.

I would be very thankfull to anyone who can tell me how we can talk about this without it been censored or denigrated.

I consider myself as an optimistic, because otherwise I would have drop the Mirage long time ago but when you love something it's difficult to drop it.

Anyway even if I'm positive, I agree with you, you're absolutely right when you say there is no quality controls and as custumer (60euros to remind you...) we deserve more consideration.

Let's hope they'll understand this time and that we'll have a nice free from bug overhaul.

Finger crossed !

I consider myself as an optimistic, because otherwise I would have drop the Mirage long time ago but when you love something it's difficult to drop it.

Anyway even if I'm positive, I agree with you, you're absolutely right when you say there is no quality controls and as custumer (60euros to remind you...) we deserve more consideration.

Let's hope they'll understand this time and that we'll have a nice free from bug overhaul.

Finger crossed !

Thanks for that, I am usualy optimistic and was a fervent supporter of Razbam, but with time, this support has fainted.

I am not asking for a 100% bug free module, no computer software can claim that. Just to have more Unit Tests (testing each function developed or modified) and do some Non-Regression Tests on the perimeter of the function. To confirme the new updates have not broken something else. That's basic 101 software development test principles and good practices.

For me the fix dont works did everything correctly but the switches refuse to move.

Anybody know a solution to make the buttons or fix work again like before ?

Dailey,

it works well with me. Exept the B-scope switch all of the switches work with the fix.

Are you in open beta ? or stable version ?

Can confirm that this fix works for NWS on pure multiplayer servers.

Can confirm that this fix works for NWS on pure multiplayer servers.

Didn't work for me.

Folks, the final fix was supposed to be released with the hotfix. Unfortunately that did not happen so we must wait until next release.

Good to know.

The fix also tweeks the switch speed movement? The actual one is a little slow.

Good to now.

 

The fix also tweeks the switch speed movement? The actual one is a little slow.

Yes.

Thanks Zeus, keep going with this awesome MLU for the Mirage.

Folks, the final fix was supposed to be released with the hotfix. Unfortunately that did not happen so we must wait until next release.

Thanks for the infos !

does today OB update fix the issue or we still have to add the hotfix? i am asquing, because the IFF/NWS was working for me after last week update, and the changelog of todays update only refeers to that issue.