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Old 08-07-2019, 05:44 PM   #1
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Thumbs up Su-17M4 (SU-22) Full Fidelity Research for Dev Started

Today I started a research to see if I can produce full fidelity Su-17M4 [S-54, "Fitter-K"] as SU-22M4 (S-54K) export version (Circa 1983-1990). Pure love for the aircraft, and lack of RED full fidelity ground pounders made me want to produce this module. The selling point of the module would be to recreate realistic feel of the aircraft so it handles like the real SU-17 in your hands.


The goal of the initial project is to: figure out IF I CAN produce it.


What I know, or can do as of right now:

0. This aircraft has and would have tons of love from you guys.

1. I was a software architect and engineer developing trading software for banks. I have coded in most languages (except C++), and I have a very simple but practical view of software. Software dev no matter what languages/framework would not be an issue.

2. Tons of DCS experience and good understanding of what the flight model should feel like. This is maybe the most important thing in the project, because a module that flies correct is very rewarding.

3. I have time, and I'm not budget restrained, as most development would be done by me.

4. Chances are this module would not be fully commercialized, but rather build with/by community. I would want this module to cost only enough to cover the costs. Not interested in making money.

5. Access to SU-22 pilots (possible access to the aircraft). Not sure if I can legally use that.



What I don't know:

1. The documentation of SU-17 is not really public. Some things would have to be improvised, or copied from SU-25T, or other sources.

2. Lack of any kind of 3D modeling experience.

3. Not sure if DCS would allow me to use the module in the SIM. In case I would not be allowed to use it, I would still develop it for myself.

4. Development process of a DCS module. [This is probably easy to research]

5. Legal implications/approvals from Russian Federation if any.



What the module would be like:

1. The flight module would be very close to RAZBAM modules. As much as I hate their quirky bugs and behavior, I truly adore flying their aircrafts. They seem the closest to reality for me.

2. The module would include Air to Air, Air to Surface, Anti Radiation, laser guided, electro-optical munition, TV guided bombs, laser guided bombs, standard bombs, and pods.

3. Possible the module would start as a FC3 type of airplane and work it's way into full fidelity.


Let me know what you guys think, and if you have any ideas on how to produce this, please help. Feel free to post any kind of feedback, don't hold back.


Motivation Video of SU-22:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U9fb0Y-JuH8&t=193s

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Old 08-08-2019, 06:35 PM   #2
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wow, please make it happen. a dream would become true. love red birds, especially this one! good luck
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Old 08-08-2019, 06:40 PM   #3
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Well, I can't help with much beyond personal thoughts, and I have to say it sounds like you might be in a good position to do this project as far as planning/time/money/purpose wise. I do wish you the best of success because this would be a great addition to DCS.
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Old 08-13-2019, 07:16 PM   #4
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Update:

So I did some small research and I was able to setup my dev environment:

3Ds Max 2016
Photoshop 2015
Blender
Model Viewer
GIMP
Visual Studio

My initial poking around tells me this is doable, but it will require a proof of concept. I need to be able to setup a simple module and make it flyable. Got to be able to go through the entire process from research, design to production. Then I will know for sure if I can do this correctly and how long it will take. My worry is the time it takes and lack of documentation. I will have to reverse engineer a lot of things, which will be slow.

Last 2 days I started looking at the DCS structure, code, other people's work and modules.
I designed my livery and looked at the code of MIG29A. Even skins were giving me hard time as some undocumented things made me debug stuff for hours what should take a minute max. But so far I'm positive. Will do more research and do a proof of concept.

And those that like MIG29 here is the Polish Squadron skin I just made. It looks like the one in real life.



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Old 08-13-2019, 07:42 PM   #5
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So shameless plug.

If you are a good systems/FM coder there is the Bo-105 project that needs one as its dead in the water without one. And he might be able to help you on the 3d model side of this.

Just sayin...
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Old 08-13-2019, 07:46 PM   #6
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Old 08-13-2019, 08:30 PM   #7
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So shameless plug.

If you are a good systems/FM coder there is the Bo-105 project that needs one as its dead in the water without one. And he might be able to help you on the 3d model side of this.

Just sayin...
Pretty good hint!!!!!!
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Pretty good hint!!!!!!
Well the other reason is I'd love to see an official SU-17 module. So it would be a win-win.

I see alot of mods, developed and then not usable online, and then they get abandoned. I'd love to see the A4E module somehow formalized and added into DCS but the devs said its not gonna happen.
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So shameless plug.

If you are a good systems/FM coder there is the Bo-105 project that needs one as its dead in the water without one.
Fill me in on the Bo-105. Why is it dead?

I'm not a good system/FM coder. I don't know anything about it. I used to build complicated software in the past, so from software point of you it's not hard for me, but I have never done any Flight Models, 3D, or anything like that. Trying to do it.
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Old 08-13-2019, 09:26 PM   #10
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Refer to this: https://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php...75&postcount=1

The developer had to part his ways from the PolyChop-Simulations team for undisclosed reasons and formed MilTech-5, but was unable to keep programmer(s) unknown apart of the team for undisclosed reasons, and then attempted collaboration with another 3rd party, which is also undisclosed. The project is now on ice because of the lack of programmers involved in the Bo-105 project.
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