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Old 08-15-2019, 08:04 PM   #21
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Originally Posted by aw33com View Post
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You made my day, I'm so happy.

I don't have PG so I took a break from DDCS and started doing this.
Never done 3d modeling, but I already started doing a model of a simple airplane. It's coming out, but I'm obviously improvising a bit.

Going to Florida in 6 days. Once I come back I'll finish the simple P-47 model. If it comes out I'll post and ask for advice on how to attack Su-22 modeling.

Thanks for now.
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Old 08-15-2019, 08:21 PM   #22
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Originally Posted by aw33com View Post
I read his post and he says there is no interest in the project. Not sure what that means. No interest by clients to fly it?

If there is like few months of work left and Fragger could help me (explain stuff in English that is) along the way, maybe I could take it over. But only if the community is interested in it.

It would be a nice start for me before I go after SU-17.
I'd say there are plenty of people in the helo community that want to see it happen. At a guess he means there might not be an interested programmer to help make it happen. It sounds like whoever he had lined up to help him had his project at the bottom of their priority list while it was at the top of his list. At least that was my take on the whole situation.

Honestly I wouldn't underestimate the difficulty of making either a fixed wing or rotary platform for DCS especially the FM. And I bet Fragger already has documentation for the BO-105 in some language, and I bet its available somewhere in English as its a fairly common helicopter worldwide.
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Old 08-23-2019, 04:30 AM   #23
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I created my first thing in 3d: P-47

Will learn 3ds Max now and do SU-17 in 3d. Need few days to learn the tool first. Doing p-47 got me somehow familiar with it, but I need like 10 days of learning it.
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Old 08-23-2019, 04:52 AM   #24
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Few Cool Facts about SU-17:

1. At Sea Level Su-17M3 IS AS FAST as SU-27 (Flanker).
2. Su-17M3 was the best performer of them all. Su-17M4 was slower due to fixed cone.
3. There were 24 official variants.
4. Besides the well known reconnaissance-configured Su-17 there were purposely build SEAD Configured Su-17M3s.
5. Almost all exported Su-17M4s were differently configured. It's super hard to find pictures with consistent loadouts. Each country configured their Su-17s differently. Some modified the center wing pylon to carry 2 R-60Ms on each, and some modified the most outer pylon to do that. Most customers did not carry the 2 hard points that were at the back of the fuselage.
6. I have never found a picture where Su-17 would carry Kh-29 missile on a wing pylon.
7. The aircraft has 12 hard points, but it's super hard to find them in this configuration.
8. Poland has the most advanced Su-22s with Israel and French companies updating their avionics. Those airplanes are known as Su-17M5 in many sources, but some contradict that.
Poland just announced to upgrade their fleet for 10 more years, but I'm hearing it's not happening.
9. Even though the aircraft was build to carry R-73 Archers, customers do not carry them.
10. The number of versions, and country configuration creates a lot of contradicting information online. Including NATO names themselves are confusing, not really matching Russian versions.

Much better research and model selection would be required to build this module.
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