Silver_Dragon Posted January 24, 2019 Share Posted January 24, 2019 (edited) I'm not a lawyer and probably there exist certain limits and bounds you can not surpass, but there are some play room to develop military systems without license from the manufacturer or the country. Some examples could be: DCS: su27/mig29, AI units (both air, grounds and ses units).. does ED have a license or explicit permission from the russian goverment? If yes, i guess they can have it again limiting the simulation level. Ace combat 7: in that game you see from su57 to F22s, at such a low fidelity level that it is ridicolous to think of a contract or permission. BMS: there are several mods to fly russian planes, though this is not strictly a product since its free.. Flanker 2.5: this first game simulated advanced russian fighters when the company was much smaller and yet they could make those variants in a pc game. Bottom line, a lawyer will tell you the limitations you cannot surpass but you can develop "arcade" sims. Enviado desde mi SM-G950F mediante Tapatalk Sims arcades...... Someone dont remember the Olex Maddox vs Grumman case and the legal issues vs pacific fighter by intent sell "low fidelity" aircraft without a license. Always has a IP holder and always need some kind of approval. And, about the 4th generation russian aircraft, check someone the russian forums, surely can get a perspective about the real situation, and no, has not only "we actually has not resources". Edited January 24, 2019 by Silver_Dragon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
falcon_120 Posted January 24, 2019 Share Posted January 24, 2019 (edited) Sims arcades...... Someone dont remember the Olex Maddox vs Grumman case and the legal issues vs pacific fighter by intent sell "low fidelity" aircraft without a license. Always has a IP holder and always need some kind of approval. And, about the 4th generation russian aircraft, check someone the russian forums, surely can get a perspective about the real situation, and no, has not only "we actually has not resources". 1. As i already mention, you need to be careful and for sure there are some minimum to fullfil. One thing is trying to avoid IP and the other is prohibiting you for developing something you wish, i dont think there is legal ground to that, if you pay for IP. 2. I havent talk about lack of resources but about lack of interest to bear the burden 3.can you tell me please what are the reasons why we've had 4th generation russians jets simulated before? Is there New regulation in place not existing before? Is that regulation preventing a 4th gen but not a 3th gen like the mig23ml from a 3rd party. Many aspects are vague or unclear thus my aforementioned conclussion. Enviado desde mi SM-G950F mediante Tapatalk Edited January 24, 2019 by falcon_120 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pepin1234 Posted January 24, 2019 Share Posted January 24, 2019 (edited) 1. 3.can you tell me please what are the reasons why we've had 4th generation russians jets simulated before? Is there New regulation in place not existing before? Is that regulation preventing a 4th gen but not a 3th gen like the mig23ml from a 3rd party. Many aspects are vague or unclear thus my aforementioned conclussion. Enviado desde mi SM-G950F mediante Tapatalk There are more russian aircraft simulators in the market. They just are not so great with level of simulation and quality. Nothing legal happen with them. When you get into legal contract with different parties, them IRL have a competition in between... then never forget the possibility of “not allowed do contract with my competitors” to keep up in my contract. Who gonna believe that speculation that Russians military Blaa blaa dont allow build a specific aircraft. Right now we have already those aircraft in arcade levels made by other Sim. Take a look in the Road map of ED. Non Russian fixed wing there, but instead for only one side. Edited January 24, 2019 by pepin1234 [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AeriaGloria Posted January 25, 2019 Share Posted January 25, 2019 (edited) The PS4 arcade game mentioned before is funny, it does have licensed models, but only western! Lockheed Boeing Dassault Northrop Saab Eurofighter Gmbh, complete double standard. Also Satarosa, I’m not sure what you mean by Su-33K. The Su-33 is Sukhoi’s designation for the Su-27K. Some sources say the RuMOD changed it to Su-33 after Sukhoi did but I think it’s just Sukhoi. Our Su-33 is perfect the way she is, if she was fully simulated from say 2006 upgrade she wouldn’t have a rwr. Ours only has a beryoza because ED included it for game value and equivalence to the Flanker B. I don’t even think every Su-33 even got upgraded to the new pastel system. Edited January 25, 2019 by AeriaGloria Black Shark Den Squadron Member: We are open to new recruits, click here to check us out or apply to join! https://blacksharkden.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silver_Dragon Posted January 25, 2019 Share Posted January 25, 2019 1. As i already mention, you need to be careful and for sure there are some minimum to fullfil. One thing is trying to avoid IP and the other is prohibiting you for developing something you wish, i dont think there is legal ground to that, if you pay for IP. 2. I havent talk about lack of resources but about lack of interest to bear the burden 3.can you tell me please what are the reasons why we've had 4th generation russians jets simulated before? Is there New regulation in place not existing before? Is that regulation preventing a 4th gen but not a 3th gen like the mig23ml from a 3rd party. Many aspects are vague or unclear thus my aforementioned conclussion. Enviado desde mi SM-G950F mediante Tapatalk From russian forum: https://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=3762656&postcount=10 Absolutely real. You only need to get permission and documentation from UAC. Just. PS In connection with the reorganization of all this gimp, now permission probably needs to be asked already in Rostec Chemezov. Well, with the people in black somehow agree. And About Ace Combat https://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=3762773&postcount=12 I do not know. But it is up to them to go to the prosecutor to go, and close to us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Satarosa Posted January 25, 2019 Share Posted January 25, 2019 Also Satarosa, I’m not sure what you mean by Su-33K. The Su-33 is Sukhoi’s designation for the Su-27K. Some sources say the RuMOD changed it to Su-33 after Sukhoi did but I think it’s just Sukhoi. Our Su-33 is perfect the way she is, if she was fully simulated from say 2006 upgrade she wouldn’t have a rwr. Ours only has a beryoza because ED included it for game value and equivalence to the Flanker B. I don’t even think every Su-33 even got upgraded to the new pastel system. The Su-33K is the last variant of the Su-33, incorporating some technologies similar to the Su-35, including the armament that we see on the front page. There would be only two Su-33k put into service in 2010 for russian navy, and the production project would be abandoned because the Su-33 brought to be removed from service.. Real War, Youtube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCCs1uki5QsyuHUdvtmWJTOg?view_as=subscriber Real War, Voice Chat: https://discord.gg/UGa3KMe [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AeriaGloria Posted January 26, 2019 Share Posted January 26, 2019 Okay I found a few places that I’m not sure if I trust that talk about a possible Su-33K, but what would the K stand for? It wouldn’t be Kommercial, or K for China for their proposed sale. But none of the places I found said there two Su-33K in actual service. The upgrade after 2010 was not all airframes and instead of Su-35 tech it’s simpler with the SVP-24 for ground attack and digital kneeboard. In either case the Su-33 has and never will field a Fox 3 missile, sad as that is. Black Shark Den Squadron Member: We are open to new recruits, click here to check us out or apply to join! https://blacksharkden.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackPixxel Posted January 26, 2019 Share Posted January 26, 2019 It would be great if it could carry KH25MP and KH31 in DCS as it can do according to Wikipedia. But maybe that was introduced in one of the more recent upgrades of the Su-33. No that the Hornets can carry ARMs as well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Satarosa Posted January 26, 2019 Share Posted January 26, 2019 (edited) Okay I found a few places that I’m not sure if I trust that talk about a possible Su-33K, but what would the K stand for? It wouldn’t be Kommercial, or K for China for their proposed sale. But none of the places I found said there two Su-33K in actual service. The upgrade after 2010 was not all airframes and instead of Su-35 tech it’s simpler with the SVP-24 for ground attack and digital kneeboard. In either case the Su-33 has and never will field a Fox 3 missile, sad as that is. Last Russian Aircrafts variant weapons loaout: http://www.aame.in/2012/01/russian-fighter-aircrafts-weapon.html Perhaps they sell all Su-33K for China.. ?! Edited January 26, 2019 by Satarosa Real War, Youtube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCCs1uki5QsyuHUdvtmWJTOg?view_as=subscriber Real War, Voice Chat: https://discord.gg/UGa3KMe [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frostie Posted January 26, 2019 Share Posted January 26, 2019 The proposed update for the Su33 (Su27K) was the Su33M (Su27KM). Earlier on this was based on Su27M, later this developed into being based on Su27SM or Su35. It has never materialised due to funding. Su33M will never happen unless either India or China make an agreement to purchase the export variant Su33MK. India have gone for the MiG29K and China have their own design for a Chinese Su33. This leaves the MiG29K being the sensible choice as the premier Russian carrier bourne strike fighter and upgrading the Su33 unviable. https://www.milavia.net/aircraft/su-33/su-33.htm "[51☭] FROSTIE" #55 51st PVO "BISONS" Fastest MiG pilot in the world - TCR'10 https://100kiap.org Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AeriaGloria Posted January 26, 2019 Share Posted January 26, 2019 Yes some truth. Hopefully the upgraded(SVP-24/digital kneeboarding/pastel) Su-33s are still able to serve for a while, once the Kuznetsov can be repaired Black Shark Den Squadron Member: We are open to new recruits, click here to check us out or apply to join! https://blacksharkden.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dehuman Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 Su-33K was proposal to China. I think they'll stay in service on the Kuznetsov until the airframes have reached their end of life. This will probably be before the Kuznetsov is finally replaced/complemented. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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