MiG-29S RADAR RANGE Bug Report

:-/To catch these aspects ?

Well, certainly not the overload problems which were fixed on the N019M by means of having more powerful Ts101M computers (and which were retrofitted to the older models during depot maintenance I'd presume).

Love the MiG

Well, certainly not the overload problems which were fixed on the N019M by means of having more powerful Ts101M computers (and which were retrofitted to the older models during depot maintenance I'd presume).

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We have 3 differents variants of the MiG-29, but all use the same cockpit (MiG-29S cockpit) and all use the same radar value (MiG-29A radar)!

There are differences that ED has not yet simulate.

Look the external 3D model of a MiG-29S and a MiG-29A, the MiG-29S is a little bigger at the top of the fuselage because it can carry more fuel. But in the game for the insatnt fuel quatity is identical to the MiG-29A!

There is still a lot of error compared to the reality.. Isn't it ?!

Look the external 3D model of a MiG-29S and a MiG-29A, the MiG-29S is a little bigger at the top of the fuselage because it can carry more fuel. But in the game for the insatnt fuel quatity is identical to the MiG-29A!

Relax, the difference in fuel quantity is modeled and we're talking about a measly 150kg here.

Relax, the difference in fuel quantity is modeled and we're talking about a measly 150kg here.

Ha nice

Need differend cockpits for that MiG-29

We need a full-fidelity MiG-29 if you ask me, but we are not getting that soon...

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We need a full-fidelity MiG-29 if you ask me, but we are not getting that soon...

Why not?

Russian tech export law. Per RuMOD nothing newer than Su-24

Russian tech export law. Per RuMOD nothing newer than Su-24

I hope we get a full clickable:

Su-24 Fencer A or Su-24 Fencer B

MiG-25PD

I hope we get a full clickable:

Su-24 Fencer A or Su-24 Fencer B

MiG-25PD

Please, not again.

1. You can go to Wishlist with this

2. You get answers "Forgedabaudit"

3. You ask why

4. You get answers "bc Russian gov and IP holders..."

5. But but... useless 5 pages discussion...

Please, not again.

1. You can go to Wishlist with this

2. You get answers "Forgedabaudit"

3. You ask why

4. You get answers "bc Russian gov and IP holders..."

5. But but... useless 5 pages discussion...

lol

I am a military expert and I probably know better than most here the rules of classifications ..

For me, it would be stupid to classify, for a game, verry old planes of the year 1976 (Su-24) and 1972 (MiG-25).

In DCS WORLD there is the ka-50 (service in 1987), for more than 5 years already. The MiG-29A is almost 30 years that everyone knows and owns this Aircraft (Germany, Usa etc..). Look upcoming modules like JF-17 Thunder (service in 2010) ..

How do you explain that then?

Honestly I think it's more commercial, because they know that American planes are probably going to sell better.

So, you jumped right to the #5. Ignore the agreements, contracts, licenses...

lol

 

 

I am a military expert and I probably know better than most here the rules of classifications ..

 

You would not believe how many military experts are underway on these boards, real ones and the others…

For me, it would be stupid to classify, for a game, verry old planes of the year 1976 (Su-24) and 1972 (MiG-25).

 

In DCS WORLD there is the ka-50 (service in 1987), for more than 5 years already. The MiG-29A is almost 30 years that everyone knows and owns this Aircraft (Germany, Usa etc..). Look upcoming modules like JF-17 Thunder (service in 2010) ..

How do you explain that then?

 

 

Honestly I think it's more commercial, because they know that American planes are probably going to sell better.

Oh somebody from the tinfoil hat fraction...

I would suggest you put your arguments in a nice formatting and send it here:

http://en.kremlin.ru/contacts

Maybe you get an answer why the planes are still classified but I seriously doubt it...

I would recommend you search for the russian series "combat approved" from RT, especially the one about the MiG-31. Even watching russian TV you wont get any details of a plane which is in service since 1981. But you may be right, it's a big conspiracy even with the MiG 19, Mi-24 and the MiG 23 in development :music_whistling:

The law was passed after the Ka-50 was released, discussed to death

You would not believe how many military experts are underway on these boards, real ones and the others…

 

Oh somebody from the tinfoil hat fraction...

I would suggest you put your arguments in a nice formatting and send it here:

http://en.kremlin.ru/contacts

 

Maybe you get an answer why the planes are still classified but I seriously doubt it...

Kevin you Troll ?

I would recommend you search for the russian series "combat approved" from RT, especially the one about the MiG-31. Even watching russian TV you wont get any details of a plane which is in service since 1981. But you may be right, it's a big conspiracy even with the MiG 19, Mi-24 and the MiG 23 in development :music_whistling:

Everyone knows that the Mig 31 is still in service, because it has been modernized. The Russian army uses the last two variants operational, MiG-31BM and MiG-31S. Classified top secret by the Russians.

But I was talking about the MiG-25PD a completely obsolete aircraft from a past generation that is no longer used by Russian.. :doh:

I have to understand that here, there are people who do not want that "RED" get some new planes or improvements?

I have to understand that here, there are people who do not want that "RED" get some new planes or improvements?

No, we all want it badly, after all we are at the red corner of the forum. What we're trying to say is that wishlist discussion doesn't belong here and is futile at the moment anyway.

Kev

No, we all want it badly, after all we are at the red corner of the forum. What we're trying to say is that wishlist discussion doesn't belong here and is futile at the moment anyway.

So I have meet a belgian army aircrafts avionics specialist with the radar. Confirm for the MiG-29S radar performance is better than MiG-29A.Theoretically, by +-15km detect range increase, for target 3m sq2 reflect.

I can doing YouTube video with the interview if ED need ?

Unless if you have some best specialists for MiG-29 radar with better certification than me..

So I have meet a belgian army aircrafts avionics specialist with the radar. Confirm for the MiG-29S radar performance is better than MiG-29A.Theoretically, by +-15km detect range increase, for target 3m sq2 reflect...

:) So you're saying that the MiG-29A's radar performance is overly optimistic?

Kevin you Troll ?

 

No, this was meant seriously. May be suprising but your statement don't make us shiver in awe. As a former radar operator in the german navy with a s2 clearance I'm not very impressed and I'm for sure not the only one :thumbup:

As it was already told you by AeriaGloria: "Russian tech export law. Per RuMOD nothing newer than Su-24"

Like it or not but please refrain from these "ED favours only western planes for commercial reasons" conspiracy BS. It ruins your reputation and this would be the last thing you want, right? Unless you think the earth is flat:music_whistling:

:) So you're saying that the MiG-29A's radar performance is overly optimistic?

Ok Master for a 4m2 reflect (F-15C..) is 80km max detect range for MiG-29A and MiG-29S. But Test again in a Target for 3m2 reflect (f-18C, F-16..), for me in best condition I have an average of +-70km (best was 74km) for MiG-29A and MiG29S max detect range.

So the RADAR of the MiG-29S has to be inprove! (ED can chose wich sources they want believe +10km, +15 km, +20km (for me best choise), +25km, +30km)

with all the research I've done I do not think I'm wrong, there are other planes that do not have the correct radar performance like the J-11A and more ..

No, this was meant seriously. May be suprising but your statement don't make us shiver in awe. As a former radar operator in the german navy with a s2 clearance I'm not very impressed and I'm for sure not the only one

So not with all my respect, the goal is not to impress people (for that I will show you my big arms), nor of all my military CV, but to improve the simulation game under research base .

As it was already told you by AeriaGloria: "Russian tech export law. Per RuMOD nothing newer than Su-24"

In 2015, 22 Su-24M Fencer-D was in service in the Russian Navy. For me this sentence has no sence .. Military classification or trade secret ..

Like it or not but please refrain from these "ED favours only western planes for commercial reasons" conspiracy BS. It ruins your reputation and this would be the last thing you want, right?

I did not say that, I'm talking about their commercial priority!

How many people will pay for an F-18C, F-14B, F-16C, F-15E ..?

How many people will pay for a MiG-25PD, a Su-24B ..?

Personally I love everything, but if we take the US market and EUR with their higher purchasing power ..

Is it not legitimate to think that the devloppers will prefer to sell the well-known American aircraft first?

cordially sincerely

I may have wording wrong, it includes Su-24 and newer AFAIK.

The J-11A doesn’t not have a panda radar if that is what you are referring to, there is a separate thread for it as well.

So not with all my respect, the goal is not to impress people (for that I will show you my big arms), nor of all my military CV, but to improve the simulation game under research base .

Sorry, this must have been a big misunderstanding from my side. I tought by telling us:

I am a military expert and I probably know better than most here the rules of classifications

 

In 2015, 22 Su-24M Fencer-D was in service in the Russian Navy. For me this sentence has no sence .. Military classification or trade secret ..

Sorry, this may have been a bit misleading.Tech export prohibition also means export of knowledge. It means that giving important information about russian military stuff (newer than the old Su-24) to people without the need to know (civilians, foreigners, companies) is prohibited by law.

How many people will pay for an F-18C, F-14B, F-16C, F-15E ..?

How many people will pay for a MiG-25PD, a Su-24B ..?

Personally I love everything, but if we take the US market and EUR with their higher purchasing power ..

Is it not legitimate to think that the devloppers will prefer to sell the well-known American aircraft first?

 

 

cordially sincerely

I suggest you take a look in the MiG-21 and MiG-23 threads. There are a lot of people throwing money at their screens waiting for some russian equipment including myself. The reason why we get more western planes as high fidelity modules is that information on them can be found more easy but this was discussed to death in dozens of threads.

Imagine this one: Do you think an american company with a russian CEO and producer would get official support from Boeing when creating an F-18?

Ok Master for a 4m2 reflect (F-15C..) is 80km max detect range for MiG-29A and MiG-29S. But Test again in a Target for 3m2 reflect (f-18C, F-16..), for me in best condition I have an average of +-70km (best was 74km) for MiG-29A and MiG29S max detect range...

I threw an F-16 down on the map for a quick test. Detected it at 78km. So they need to add another 2km or so?