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Old 10-04-2019, 09:54 AM   #1
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Default Wait... can amraam be used in SAM mode with no STT?

I was just reading the EA guide and there it state that the AIM120 can be guided over a bugged target in SAM mode without the need of an STT lock. So... do we already have the option to attack a target silently (TWS like)?

If that the case it is quite cool, is not multi target cappability but its a start.

PD: I'm not at home so I can't test it myself.
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I was just reading the EA guide and there it state that the AIM120 can be guided over a bugged target in SAM mode without the need of an STT lock. So... do we already have the option to attack a target silently (TWS like)?



If that the case it is quite cool, is not multi target cappability but its a start.



PD: I'm not at home so I can't test it myself.
Yes but I've read on Discord some people reporting that it'd still give warning tone to the target just like the STT lock in MP. So probably its bug. I've not tested it myself.
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Not sure how any radar guided missle can attack any target "silently"? Also confused how TWS (Track While Scan) is stealthy, it's a radar mode? Only stealth I know of is to go silent radar and use Aim9M or Guns, but i'm happy to be educated!
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Not sure how any radar guided missle can attack any target "silently"? Also confused how TWS (Track While Scan) is stealthy, it's a radar mode? Only stealth I know of is to go silent radar and use Aim9M or Guns, but i'm happy to be educated!
What I meant by silently is that the target does not get a launch warning until the moment the missile goes active. They know you are there but it gives you some nice 5-10mn where the target does not start evading actions (that is why a said TWS like).

But you are right, the only total stealthy way is using heaters+no radar at all.

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Old 10-04-2019, 11:28 AM   #5
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Yes it can/should be able too. The amraam just needs a track profile (which SAM builds) to be able to use for its ins and midcourse updates.
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Old 10-04-2019, 11:41 AM   #6
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Yes. Tested it last night. When bugging someone in SAM, they do get STT nails. However, they do not get a launch warning, just the STT tone from the F-16, followed by the nails of the missile when it goes active.

So someone will know you're about to launch, they just won't know when you've launched.
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Old 10-04-2019, 12:01 PM   #7
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NVM

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Old 10-04-2019, 12:59 PM   #8
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Yes. Tested it last night. When bugging someone in SAM, they do get STT nails. However, they do not get a launch warning, just the STT tone from the F-16, followed by the nails of the missile when it goes active.

So someone will know you're about to launch, they just won't know when you've launched.
NAILS is not STT lock tone. SPIKE is STT lock tone.

So, AMRAAM in SAM mode should then be just as stealthy as TWS lock according to this.
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Old 10-04-2019, 01:51 PM   #9
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*waves hand* Nails schmails. You understood what was meant. STT lock tone is STT lock tone.
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Old 10-04-2019, 03:00 PM   #10
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*waves hand* Nails schmails. You understood what was meant. STT lock tone is STT lock tone.

Yes but if you are going to use brevity terms it might behoove you to use them correctly. Otherwise you sound goofy or uneducated trying to sound good. The way you said it is about the same as someone asking you if they should go left or right and you say both left and right.
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