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Old 10-07-2019, 01:44 PM   #211
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2- viper at 15000ft clean with 50% fuel is turning at 13-14 °/s max sustained, acmi file HERE
so pretty much like the hornet with 60% fuel and 2 amraams and 2 9's
Sorry man

https://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=251091&page=16

Viper reached 14.4 dps at 15000ft. And even a DCS hornet could only reach 13dps with 60% internal fuel
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Old 10-07-2019, 01:48 PM   #212
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share acmi's then i've never seen that one about the viper doing 14,4dps at 15k ft
my hornet is doing 13 with loadout, so it's doing more without, still more then the viper?
when you talk about this tests you need to provide acmi's, if you dont, how can we check? i can say mine is doing 30 dps
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Old 10-07-2019, 03:14 PM   #213
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Check their flight manuals. When both loaded with missiles of drag index=50 and with almost the same ordnance fraction (flying weight / empty weight = 1.3 for viper, and 1.26 for F-14B. A bit in favor of F-14B), F-16CM-50 sustains slightly higher turn rate than F-14B (at 10000ft, it is 14.2dps for viper and 14dps for F-14B). Given F-16 is more influenced by external load drag, when both flying clean F-16 should still sustain better turn rate than F-14B, by a bigger margin.

If we equalize the ordnance fraction (flying weight / empty weight = 1.3 for both), F-16C-block50 has a margin of 0.6deg/sec over F-14B at 10000ft

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Old 10-07-2019, 03:20 PM   #214
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i got it, but in DCS im not getting more then 14dps with a CLEAN viper at 15000, if someone can sustain more is more then pleased to post acmi
a CLEAN hornet at 15k is sustaining from 14 to 15dps max as shown here
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Old 10-07-2019, 03:48 PM   #215
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i got it, but in DCS im not getting more then 14dps with a CLEAN viper at 15000, if someone can sustain more is more then pleased to post acmi
a CLEAN hornet at 15k is sustaining from 14 to 15dps max as shown here
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What is the fuel load? I think you're cherry picking.

EDIT: And here. I went and found it just for you, cos I had a bazillion of the things after all that. I'm sure I don't need to restate the conditions of the test which were the exact same for all of my tests.

Oh, and compared to the F/A-18 track you had, my circles are far more consistent. Just saying.

https://drive.google.com/open?id=1a8...XwksSCEYekhB4l

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Old 10-07-2019, 03:55 PM   #216
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50% on both clean setups, hornet and viper, man if you dont trust, or you can do better, go try and post the acmi
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Old 10-07-2019, 04:24 PM   #217
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Could you kindly check in with the Heatblur Tomcat forums bug section, think your tacview(if its not yours,disregard) file got posted there, however so far it can‘t be replicated.You need to provide more info on how exactly and in which configuration you achieved the rate.


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Old 10-07-2019, 04:32 PM   #218
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I already spoke with IronMike directly.
Ok-even better, thanks a lot man. Kind regards, Snappy.
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Old 10-07-2019, 04:59 PM   #219
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Before I read this post I ran a test between the FA18 and F16.Both full fuel no wpns at 16000. speed about 350kts. 90 AOB stick full aft. Turn radius F16 1.03, FA18 .54!
FA 18 flaps auto.
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Old 10-07-2019, 05:42 PM   #220
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Before I read this post I ran a test between the FA18 and F16.Both full fuel no wpns at 16000. speed about 350kts. 90 AOB stick full aft. Turn radius F16 1.03, FA18 .54!
FA 18 flaps auto.
man we're talking about sustained turn rate, nothing about min turn radius..
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