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Old 01-13-2020, 08:51 AM   #7441
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А вы про какие ракеты?
Тот же Феникс. У него макс g собственный и макс g цели декларируются меньше чем даже у Р-27.
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Old 01-13-2020, 04:45 PM   #7442
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В таком случае чего ж даже в справочнике в ДКС есть параметр "максимальная перегрузка цели"?
Это примерная перегрузка цели, которую может перехватить ракета в идеальном случае с заданной вероятностью.
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Old 01-13-2020, 04:52 PM   #7443
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I know that's the key. Missiles can't do to much against this style (exploit DCS model) of flying.

- Current missiles have no energy to kill +8km fast targets.
- Bellow 8km missiles can't do enough G against that "hard" maneuvers.

About maneuvers...
It very depend by altitude and target speed.

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Flankers are limited and have consequences if they go over limits.
Western UFO's can do anything without consequences. Negative G's, Positive G's = no problems. It's a joke.
We have plan to make a full destruction of F-15 with over limit g.
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Old 01-13-2020, 04:53 PM   #7444
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Тот же Феникс. У него макс g собственный и макс g цели декларируются меньше чем даже у Р-27.
Вероятно авторы Феникса заложили большие перегрузки.
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Old 01-13-2020, 04:57 PM   #7445
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Это обычная фанатская подозрительность.
Болельщикам каждого футбольного клуба кажется, что судья подыгрывает соперникам.
And sometimes they are right...
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Old 01-13-2020, 05:00 PM   #7446
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And sometimes they are right...
No, that's not the case.
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Old 01-13-2020, 05:03 PM   #7447
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Это примерная перегрузка цели, которую может перехватить ракета в идеальном случае с заданной вероятностью.
Ну ты уж тут сам своим суждениям противоречить начинаешь подтверждая мои изначальные слова. Ладно, не суть в общем то.
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Old 01-13-2020, 07:11 PM   #7448
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Вероятно авторы Феникса заложили большие перегрузки.
Вот просто интересно - возможно у меня играют остатки юношеского максимализма, но неужели вас как представителя с "весом" одной из немногих компаний которая делает достоверные фм летательных аппаратов это не раздражает?
Что в вашем собственном проекте есть такие вот моменты со словами "занизили , понизили"?
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Old 01-13-2020, 07:12 PM   #7449
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Phoenix is capable of 18g for the 54A, 21g for the 54C.
It is possible that this is the physical limit for structural overload, OR maximum g developed by the motors (limitation of motor torque against air pressure) OR both (example: AIM-9L).
Without knowing the exact g schedule, it is not possible to know what, if anything, is wrong with AIM-54.

But, I also suggest that players simply have wrong expectations. Missiles were already impossible to out-maneuver since AA-2 under the right circumstances (this from a study of AA-2 by USAF. In this case, they studied the capability of F-8 escaping AA-2 with a 7.5g maneuver when the missile was launched in optimal parameters. The conclusion was that it was not possible to cause a miss greater than 3m, which was inside the lethal distance).

Since that time, the 'optimum parameters' have expanded along with the capability of the missiles. The AA-2 had to be launched directly at a tail-on, zero-g aircraft at 5000' to 7000' distance, with the assumption that the F-8 would then maneuver instantly to defeat the missile.

Regarding writing that 'the missile can defeat an aircraft doing Xg', this is simply a 'useful to understand format', but it doesn't tell you anything about the performance of the missile.

Your missile might only be able to hit a '5g target', and then you'll be surprised when it hits you while you're doing 9g, but that maneuver was in the same turning plane as the missile.
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Old 01-13-2020, 07:14 PM   #7450
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Вот просто интересно - возможно у меня играют остатки юношеского максимализма, но неужели вас как представителя с "весом" одной из немногих компаний которая делает достоверные фм летательных аппаратов это не раздражает?
Что в вашем собственном проекте есть такие вот моменты со словами "занизили , понизили"?
Раздражает. Со временем мы постараемся взять оружие в свои руки. Пока не хватает сил на все.
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