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Thank you everyone for the excellent turnout and also the gentlemanship that was demonstrated by everyone!! The event went mostly without problems, but I'll do my best to iron out the rest of the problems for the next time!!! Also possibly make the briefing earlier, perhaps 30 minutes before the scheduled start, to eliminate the start delay.

 

Also a great thank you 51st and SF squadrons, the event would definitely be less without you guys.


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Just some comments from the 51st side:

 

The event went pretty smooth apart from not much brief for the aggressor side.... and a little last minute setup. :)

 

But... the biggest issue, was the "god view" observer mode. It simply is a lame and arcadish way to simulate GCI support. We as a squad made a conscious decision not to fly if this is employed in the future, as we strongly feel it is against the spirit of simulation and takes away a lot from a fun event like this...

 

I sincerely hope RF (and 104th public server too) moves to better GCI implementation and instead employs LOATC, where the coverage is realistic, access is passworded to prevent blatant cheating, and based on proper ground radar data + no missiles are visible (thats just beyond ridiculous, IMO).

 

Our two cents!

 

S!

 

PS: if god view is on, you might as well allow all exports as it is totally pointless to maintain any integrity... :doh:


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Thank you everyone for the excellent turnout and also the gentlemanship that was demonstrated by everyone!! The event went mostly without problems, but I'll do my best to iron out the rest of the problems for the next time!!! Also possibly make the briefing earlier, perhaps 30 minutes before the scheduled start, to eliminate the start delay.

 

Also a great thank you 51st and SF squadrons, the event would definitely be less without you guys.

 

 

 

I'll be honest it felt chaotic.... appreciate the events being held but could we be tighter on who takes which slot otherwise the sign up is pointless.

 

The challengers are never going to be much of a challenge as the organisation isn't there. Which is fair enough as people may just want to jump in and fly. But having an experienced squadron taking he lead for the challengers would improve things a great deal. (Bushmanni I'm talking to you there....)

 

Also could we have a designated Admin to contact with issues. I had a time out issue (not ping related) but got no response about rejoining or not.

 

 

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Just some comments from the 51st side:

 

The event went pretty smooth apart from not much brief for the aggressor side.... and a little last minute setup. :)

 

But... the biggest issue, was the "god view" observer mode. It simply is a lame and arcadish way to simulate GCI support. We as a squad made a conscious decision not to fly if this is employed in the future, as we strongly feel it is against the spirit of simulation and takes away a lot from a fun event like this...

 

I sincerely hope RF (and 104th public server too) moves to better GCI implementation and instead employs LOATC, where the coverage is realistic, access is passworded to prevent blatant cheating, and based on proper ground radar data + no missiles are visible (thats just beyond ridiculous, IMO).

 

Our two cents!

 

S!

 

PS: if god view is on, you might as well allow all exports as it is totally pointless to maintain any integrity... :doh:

 

I really hope we can have GCI also in the future but I agree that LotAtc would be better solution. Especially the "see all" observer mode takes away a lot from the tactics and prodedures employment. F10 with Fog of War is better than nothing though.

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I'll be honest it felt chaotic.... appreciate the events being held but could we be tighter on who takes which slot otherwise the sign up is pointless.

 

The challengers are never going to be much of a challenge as the organisation isn't there. Which is fair enough as people may just want to jump in and fly. But having an experienced squadron taking he lead for the challengers would improve things a great deal. (Bushmanni I'm talking to you there....)

 

Also could we have a designated Admin to contact with issues. I had a time out issue (not ping related) but got no response about rejoining or not.

 

 

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Sorry for not answering the ts message, I was ingame. Using the ingame chat, or hopping into my ts channel to say what's on your mind would have solved this issue easily!

 

Slotswise, I believe I made the right call for allowing a few extras, that way everyone got to fly and the numbers were close to what was originally intended (2:1)

 

Challengerswise.. I've seen many good performances from challengers in the past, and aggressors have been beaten before, so I don't see a problem here. Organization levels will fluctuate, also depending on how ppl have time. Next red flag is planned to take place again in one month so feel free to organize and practice!!

 

As for GCI... we are looking into the subject to make it better ;)

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I really hope we can have GCI also in the future but I agree that LotAtc would be better solution. Especially the "see all" observer mode takes away a lot from the tactics and prodedures employment. F10 with Fog of War is better than nothing though.

 

I agree that using JTAC slots for fog off war is a much better solution, this relies on friendly radars and aircraft radar building a picture for GCI rather than just seeing everything, though a lot of the missile shots still become visible.

 

With the observer slot it makes the picture too obvious for GCI to dictate eg. he knows without ambiguity that all enemy are either rtb, landing or on the ground so he can declare a push. Likewise he can call a retreat to perfection with perfect clarity not to mention the tactical melee aspect.

 

Regarding organisation i'm sure we just have to take the rough with the smooth with this or wait a long time for such events to come around. Great work by the 104th keeping these events running so close to each other, these guys do have real lives to attend to so let's just be thankful they take the lead on running these events and that we do get to take part.

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Here is a temporary TackView File

https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B4kqOBYxv9yTdk1Xb201Rm84bWc

 

It has mistakes. Soon I will Upload new link.

 

Thank you


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Sorry for not answering the ts message, I was ingame. Using the ingame chat, or hopping into my ts channel to say what's on your mind would have solved this issue easily!

 

Slotswise, I believe I made the right call for allowing a few extras, that way everyone got to fly and the numbers were close to what was originally intended (2:1)

 

Challengerswise.. I've seen many good performances from challengers in the past, and aggressors have been beaten before, so I don't see a problem here. Organization levels will fluctuate, also depending on how ppl have time. Next red flag is planned to take place again in one month so feel free to organize and practice!!

 

As for GCI... we are looking into the subject to make it better ;)

 

 

 

No worries! I'll do that next time..... thanks for responding Stuge.

 

As for the challengers winning.... we had SF on our side then... just saying ;)!

 

 

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It's never gonna be easy coordinating 50+ pilots!

 

On a side note I still don't get why the challengers don't just go balls in all the way at the start? Rush us 36vs18. You'll take some losses no doubt but you'll win in the first 20mins:)

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Thanks for taking part guys, sorry the preparation was less than usual this month as some people have already pointed out its just down to some real world issues getting in the way this time around.

 

The GCI was obviously not ideal its something we are working on within the limitations of DCS and for this round we wanted to take small steps, steps that we knew had a proven track record of stability from our day to day hosting using the same format. We have tested other set ups with limited success which is why we choose to go for the options we knew worked.

 

Just a reminder of what I've said before on teamspeak at previous events that these events are not about blowing your heads off with realism. The main priority is making sure the server doesn't crash during the event or we get any issues with warping and lag! :D

So we are adding in 'extras' as we go along with the aim of getting closer to the dream of the old FC2 days by the end of the year that featured fixed wing, rotary and ATC programmes.

 

This was a positive step despite it not being on par with some of the last rounds, we included GCI and AWACS for the first time with a full event without stability problems.

Next month will be more organised and with a different (or possibly no) GCI set up, the sign up will be open earlier and we will 100% get the planning rooms organised on our forums again.

 

We are trying to get a working Tacview filed generated from the tracks and the official scoring will be posted once they have been cross checked.

 

For now the provisional Air to Air kills are as follows....

 

"SF_Farrago" scored a victory against "F99th-pyromaniac4002 #24" with AIM-9M!"

"SF_Razer" scored a victory against "will" with AIM-7M!"

"<51>Breakshot" scored a victory against "Batz" with R-27R

"<51>Breakshot" scored a victory against "Croncat" with R-27T

"Obic" scored a victory against "<51>Breakshot" with Matra Magic II!"

"[sRB]=238.lbae=Gruja" scored a victory against "<51>holimoli" with R-27R

"SF_Farrago" scored a victory against "AGRS_Mustang" with AIM-9M!"

"<51P>Scarface" scored a victory against "[sRB]=238.lbae=Falcon" with R-73

"<51>Rage" scored a victory against "Hatchitman" with R-27R

"=RvE=MicroVAX" scored a victory against "104th_Blackbird" with Matra Magic II!"

"Obic" scored a victory against "104th_Knight" with Matra Magic II!"

"SF_Farrago" scored a victory against "RAVEN | Teldja" with AIM-9M!"

"*NOB*Aries" hit friendly unit "Arimdor" with AIM-9M!"

"SF_Razer" scored a victory against "Veritech" with AIM-9M!"

"SF_Razer" scored a victory against "Obic" with guns!"

"=RvE=YAGA" scored a victory against "SF_Farrago" with R-73

"104th_Mustang" scored a victory against "wandy" with AIM-7M!"

"Rabb" scored a victory against "104th_Spade" with R-27R (AA-10A)!"

"104th_Blaze" scored a victory against "Axion" with AIM-7M!"

"=RvE=YAGA" scored a victory against "<51>Rage" with R-27T

"<51>Rage" scored a victory against "=RvE=DackSter94" with R-73

"Hellrequiem" scored a victory against "104th_Deboman" with R-73

"104th_Stuge" scored a victory against "=RvE=YAGA" with AIM-9M!"

"SF_MikeMikeJuliet" scored a victory against "Rabb" with AIM-9M!"

"SF_Razer" scored a victory against "Hellrequiem" with M_61!"

"=RvE=MicroVAX" scored a victory against "SF_MikeMikeJuliet" with ??? <- Please confirm this kill, error in logs.

"104th_Mustang" scored a victory against "=RvE=MicroVAX" with AIM-7M!"

 

 

Please can you post if you spot anything wrong or missing so we can adjust this for the final scores to be published when the acmi is available.


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This round was more fun then initially expected for me tbh.

Happygolucky really did awesome work as GCI, not only as GCI but in general as comic relief and motivational coach once it was apparent that the battle was more or less lost.

 

I still feel a little bad for playing the rules a little hard on the end with the border, but it was simply the most promising solution to reset that situation to a more favorable position for me.

Tiger practically was the only one who did choose to really push me up high and he did pull full gentlemen there after he crossed the border. S!

 

Yes I can confirm that kill happend. Was initially indeed TWS on blaze but that contrail turning towards me in my face kinda had priority at that moment. ;D

 

Since my recording unfortunately got lost [switching of audio interface before shutting down recording... m)] here is a link with timestamp to relevant part of that kill:

 

 

Mustang really has a run for me I guess. :D good stuff S!

 

Its really nice to have these events since going against high threat organized resistance is kinda not happening outside of these events so after each round there is really a lot to process and learn from.

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Sometimes I think to myself that these events are solely run for their amusement and entertainment value of the aggressor squads. I honestly can't believe that that the majority of the challengers enjoy the month on month cluster of disorganization that these events inevitably bring. This recent one was nothing more than a closed session of the normal 104th daily 'run what you brung'.

 

Now, before I get burnt alive at the stake. I can completely understand why we are in this situation. Real life always takes precedence, especially with the pressures that are placed upon us during our daily life cycle. It just seems to me that these Red Flag events that once upon a time, use to be extremely prestigious and take weeks of planning by many squads, has been diluted a little somewhat.

 

I also appreciate that we can not dwell on the days of old and have to look forward to what we have today. Therefore, I have nothing but admiration for the 104th and their associates who go out of their way, month on month, to organise these events at their own expense. For that, I salute. From what I can gather, lonewolving is probably not the best way forward in major MP events such as these.

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As I remember two events were win by Challengers. And Aggressor's tactics were bad despite of their high skills in A2A. They simply lose all their ground units. And we (Challengers) have people who coordinated our actions from preparations to the end of the flight.


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If anyone is interested in higher level tactics Red flags are a perfect opportunity to learn to plan and run a multi flight multi sortie operation. Although the opponents are probably more skilled you will have numerical superiority to play with so it's not impossible mission. Although being a commander is a tough job it can be rewarding (at least if your plan works out in the end).

 

Organizing a mass take-off and multi flight fighter sweep followed by escort CAP is not rocket science but depends heavily on how seriously and competently the flights will organize themselves and stick to the plan (how competent and commited to the plan the flight leads are). One thing that helps with commitment is being respected by the other pilots for your skills and knowledge but for a new commander that might not be an option as you might have yet to earn that respect. In this situation having effective teamplay requires the others to give the new commander a chance to prove himself and at least not be a source of extra friction. The commander should also have faith in himself and take charge of the situation instead of being passive observer but remembering to focus on the big picture and not micromanage. Other thing that helps with commitment to the plan is to make the plan with others, preferably with the flight leads and come up with a plan that everyone can agree to or even believe in.

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Official Results



 

Aggressors take the win!

 

After a decisive battle the Aggressors managed to sweep to victory in this round which takes the total for the year to 2 wins for the Aggressors and 2 wins for the Challengers!

 

Initially, it was suspected that removing the AMRAAM would require more Aggressor aircraft to evenly balance the numbers. In hindsight this doesn't seem to be the case with the combination of flying with regular pilots proving to be stronger than anticipated.

With this in mind future SARH events will no longer have an extended Aggressor line up and we will try to keep the numbers around 15 for the Aggressor side.

 

 

 

Scoring

 



"SF_Farrago" scored a victory against "F99th-pyromaniac4002 #24" with AIM-9M!"

"SF_Razer" scored a victory against "will" with AIM-7M!"

"<51>Breakshot" scored a victory against "Batz" with R-27R

"<51>Breakshot" scored a victory against "Croncat" with R-27T

"Obic" scored a victory against "<51>Breakshot" with Matra Magic II!"

"[sRB]=238.lbae=Gruja" scored a victory against "<51>holimoli" with R-27R

"SF_Farrago" scored a victory against "AGRS_Mustang" with AIM-9M!"

"<51P>Scarface" scored a victory against "[sRB]=238.lbae=Falcon" with R-73

"<51>Rage" scored a victory against "Hatchitman" with R-27R

"=RvE=MicroVAX" scored a victory against "104th_Blackbird" with Matra Magic II!"

"104th_Spade" scored a victory against "TrevorMcNeill" with AIM-7M!

"104th_Knight" scored a victory against "F99th-Doktormarg #99 with AIM-9!

"Obic" scored a victory against "104th_Knight" with Matra Magic II!"

"104th_Deboman" scored a victory against "RAVEN | Teldja" with AIM-9!

"SF_Farrago" scored a victory against "RAVEN | Teldja" with AIM-9M!" [conflict]

"*NOB*Aries" hit friendly unit "Arimdor" with AIM-9M!"

"SF_Razer" scored a victory against "Veritech" with AIM-9M!"

"SF_Razer" scored a victory against "Obic" with guns!"

"=RvE=YAGA" scored a victory against "SF_Farrago" with R-73

"104th_Mustang" scored a victory against "wandy" with AIM-7M!"

"SF_Razer" scored a victory against "M@verick" with AIM-7!

"Rabb" scored a victory against "104th_Spade" with R-27R (AA-10A)!"

"104th_Stuge" scored a victory against "*NOB*SexyRexy" with AIM-7

"104th_Blaze" scored a victory against "Axion" with AIM-7M!"

"<51P>Scarface" scored a victory against "*NOB*Aries" with R-73

"104th_Blaze" scored a victory against "*NOB*Wepar with AIM-7!

"<51>Rage" scored a victory against "=RvE=DackSter94" with R-73

"=RvE=YAGA" scored a victory against "<51>Rage" with R-27T

"Hellrequiem" scored a victory against "104th_Deboman" with R-73

"104th_Stuge" scored a victory against "=RvE=YAGA" with AIM-9M!"

"104th_Stuge" scored a victory against "Rabb" with AIM-9

"SF_MikeMikeJuliet" scored a victory against "Rabb" with AIM-9M!" [conflict]

"SF_Razer" scored a victory against "Hellrequiem" with M_61!"

"104th_Blaze" scored a victory against "=EDP 71st=Rush" with AIM-9

"=RvE=MicroVAX" scored a victory against "SF_MikeMikeJuliet" with S530D

"104th_Mustang" scored a victory against "=RvE=MicroVAX" with AIM-7M!"

A2G "M@verick scored a victory against T-72 with AGM-65

 

 

I want to say a massive thanks to 104th_Stuge for coming in at the last minute and hosting the event, he did a great job on short notice after real world got in my way of taking part this time around.

 

And also to 104cdt_Tiger for his painstaking efforts in helping me with the scoring!

 

Thanks to our friends at the 51st and SF_Squadrons who backed us up as the Aggressors!

 

ACMI

 

The TacVIEW ACMI file is available to download HERE

 

Strategic TacVIEW Video

 



 

 

 

 

@Axion while I wont burn you at a stake, I'll kindly remind you that we do these events for you... the public, this is why we have given away more than $400 worth of DCS modules to the Challengers this year alone :)

 

If it was solely for our amusement then it would not be 2vs1 in terms of the numbers, it would be an even 50 / 50.

 

And while you are 100% correct, in the past a larger emphasis was placed on these events because of the lack of frequency of them.

Nowadays we are running 2 Red Flags a month and we just simply don't have the time to make every event as big the ones that came around every 3-6 months or so.

With that being said we don't want to loose out on the original goal of giving the community regular quality events to take part in, unfortunately this month a lot of real world issues got in the way of getting things set up, which led to more chaotic event than normal.

However for next month we will look in to ways of helping to organise the Challenger side better and give them more time to prepare.

 

Red Flag was never meant to be the Aggressor show, the aim was to give the Challengers as good a fight as possible against a co-ordinated opponent that lacked superior numbers.

Unfortunately this round proved to be too unbalanced with the combination of tactics and GCI combining to nullify the Challengers numerical advantage, which is why it looked like an event run for our amusement, as I mentioned earlier we will be changing this set up in the future so it doesn't happen again.

 

We are starting to see more Squadrons dip their toes into event hosting which is fantastic news for everyone and something we really hope continues as the market for it in DCS is huge!

Hopefully this means the public can take part in regular events such as ours and also larger irregular events that consist of more intricate planning and execution for clients to get their teeth into.

 

 

Hopefully we will see you guys next month when the prizes for the top scoring pilots will make a return and we can figure out a better solution for the GCI than God mode. As previously mentioned we will also get the planning rooms opened much earlier and if required we will assign a commander to the Challenger side to start co-ordinating the battle plan for May.

 

Thanks for your time gents,

 

S!

 

 

 



 

 

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The problem with challenger organisation is all on our side. I'm keen to be part of a more organised challenger team and as such would like to offer an invitation to anyone who would like to be part of a "dedicated" group to this end. I'm part of the 59th Ravens squadron so happy to host training on our training server.

 

 

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Yeah I agree with mlbackham, organisation of the challengers side is simply not the task of the aggressor side/event organisers.

 

It is nice to have the planning forums, but everything beyond that is really on ourselves.

 

The setup was imho winnable for us. Harder then last time, because there was no need for HAVCAP on the Aggressor side but that still doesn't present a unsolvable situation.

 

I would be happy to at least start forging new stuff right away but for that positioning of things and map would have to be fixed like naow. Which is kinda unrealistic given the uncertainty coming with DCS patches.

 

I am happy to plan again as soon as the next setup is announced. If I have time at that point is a little random but yeah, generally totally up for that stuff.

 

For completeness sake, my last kill was with a magic2 not 530D.

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First of all, thanks you to 104th for providing the conditions for this event, I had a lot of fun... although this time we were totally smashed by the Aggressors! :)

 

I have seen some observations of how the event developed, especially for the blue side participants, and I review myself in some of them!

I also would like to leave my input and opinion that I would like to see it taken, just as that, an opinion, nothing more!

 

This was my second Red Flag participation and I can clearly distinguish both events I participated. The first I participated, that took place in March, where the victory was achieved by Blue side, in my opinion for 2 reasons, organization and leadership…. yes Bushmami if you read this, I´m talking to you! :)

The second one, last Saturday, resembled to the normal daily activities in the 104th server, were a bunch of guys just split into a few teams, draw a basic attack plan and just went to away hopping to burst all the Reds from the sky, or at least just scare them enough to make them fly away under the their SAM umbrella.... and boy we were all wrong, extremely wrong!

 

Regarding GCI as far I could understand, after being shot down I went to Twitch 104th Tiger Channel and could enjoy the rigor of Red planning implementation supported by a beautifully usage of the GCI operator and its “over exceptional” advantages, that in my opinion beneficiated more the Aggressors than the Challengers .

I never had the opportunity to see the GCI being used until last Saturday and had no idea of how it look like, I truly believed that at least the "fog of war" feature would be implemented, although I found strange our CGI being so sure when he give the calls, when was possible for us, the ground attackers to go in for our runs, I was wondering how could he be so sure no opponents would be around. Having a 100% scenario picture gives a huge advantage to an already well planned tactic, even better if a team based on such air space “radar coverage” have good defending/retreat tactics and methods planned and synchronized. That was definitely an extra for the Red side as depicting of us having in our favor a 2:1 force ratio, no matter whatever we throw at them they would always have "Gods Eye" on their advantage and could evaluate when was time to escape to safe area or ambush a blue airplane group, even if all 36 blue airships flew in a huge formation, I believe they would just retreat back to the their SAM coverage and would just try to take down any lost sheep from the group, being just conservative and not going wild against a much larger enemy group... I don’t think there would be a possible or feasible tactic possible to implement that could counter the scenario arrangement combined with such CGI coverage, especially if a lot of the blue pilots are inexperienced in communications, group coordination and situation awareness, adding a rudimentary plan and the recipe for disaster is there!

 

I was even able to understand that during the Twitch broadcast that the A-10s, of course were neglectable, as we posed no threat to Red fighters! I suppose that only when I took down the only MBT, they possible consider the ground attackers an immediate threat to their main objectives, as I could understand from RWR warnings. As soon I took the first AGM shoot, I got locked several times and was shooting upon a few others, before the first shoot I noticed the contacts but no shots or radar locks were done at me, maybe was a coincidence… or not… and no they were not HOJ on me, as I had my Jammer off all time, as I was flying low as possible to try to sneak below their radar as I put my stakes assuming they for sure they were more interested to catch the blue fighters, pointing their radars up specialty with Mirages flying at high altitude in the area! But of course, if GCI could see it all… there goes the assumption… the mother of all ****ups! :)

I found also fun the nickname they give to the obvious spot where the ground attackers would pop up "The gate", rather… original :)... and of course the policy of not going into the mountains chasing us, where their advantage could be reduced in our favor, and as it happen accidently. a red fighter cross the border and be disqualified!

All these things I mentioned above are simple observations done after a few minutes of watching the Red Twitch broadcasting after I was shoot down, and are pure example of how they, the Red side, carefully comply with what they stipulated for a "game plan"!

If Blue side ever want win again, a never less than similar level of planning should be implemented... of course the GCI should not be "Gods Eye" to allow the blue intentions to be camouflage a bit and give the Challengers some chance to dignify themselves as worthy opponents, otherwise in time, this will also act against the Red side as there will be no need to structure a good planning as they will feel the blue will be a bunch of uncoordinated ducks entering in line on a shooting range and Red fighters need to take place in line to take a shot! The level of the challenge will decrease, people from both side will become frustrated as the blues will feel like "cannon meat", and the red will feel humans opponents will be easier targets than fighting AI opponents... and this will eventually kill the event!

I know, maybe I'm being over dramatic on the last sentences, but is just an opinion!

 

Now, of course, those who did not got tiered reading until now, would say "well we have personal life, have not time to plan silly strategies”, “I just want to fly and shoot some targets around ", "This guy talks too much why doesn’t he make a game plane?",etc, etc...

Well, unfortunately due to my professional life I can’t belong to a virtual squadron, I work 28/28 days rotations and I can’t compromise with a squadron agenda and commitments, when I´m at home not only family life, but also other hobbies and pass times consume all of my off time.

Regarding general mission planning, I don’t feel yet confident enough to dominate all aspects or at least all the main air battle planning aspects, although I have considerable online flying hours on several servers, I consider myself extremely "noob" on these types of more organized events that I believe require a bit extra knowledge!

What I can do, is when I´m able to participate on such events, is to try to help on building a "game plan" involving the ground attackers together with experienced fighter pilots that can design a main battle plan.

I strongly believe is possible to give some fight to the Reds by making them leaving from their comfort zone and make them sweat a bit more! :)

 

These were just some thoughts and opinions, should not be seeing as open simple tear down critics or complains , I enjoyed a lot participating on such kind of event and give my time as well spent, I just think is possible to improve it and make it even better and more enjoyable for all the community!

 

See you all in the air after June… I´m off to work for the next 4 weeks…

Good flights!


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Hi Folks,

This was an awesome event from my perspective (even though I was pretty useless) and I just wanted to thank the organisers and participants and offer one or two comments.

 

1) Got up at 3.40am for this and cost me some points with the wife but no regrets at all. My first time participating in red flag, or indeed any DCS tournament. Thank you very much 104th for organising and the participants. For a "headline" event like this I think you're spot on for prioritising stability vs features("real" GCI). And obviously you're time is on a volunteer basis so thank you very much for this.

 

2) Obviously blue side organisation was lacking compared to red, and it always will be. Looks like microvax and blackam are looking into this which is great. I'm personally very happy to follow orders/suggestions from GCI/squadran leader. But here are a couple of suggestions that might make blue a little better

 

a) Add some brief teamspeak usage guidelines/recommendations in the Red Flag advertisement/briefing. I saw there were 8 challanger TS groups but wasn't sure which to join? Didn't want to intefere with any established squadrons. I was also unsure if I was allowed to talk to GCI since he was in his own TS group, and with 36 other pilots obviously we can't all talk at once. Should I have done a whisper group just for GCI? Is the protocol to talk with the squadron leader first? Is there a squadran leader? etc. As a noob last thing I wanted to do was get in the way of others.

 

b) Also in the briefing maybe publish a proposed briefing timeline. e.g. as a rough guide, in reality things will merge but at least the rough intention is there. Perhaps this is too formal/disciplined, but doing anything in DCS requires a fair amount of discipline! e.g maybe something like this:

17:40 - public briefing for red and blue

17:45 - join server, check loadouts

17:50 - blue team(challanger) only briefing, form TS squadrons.

17:55 - comms check.

18:00 - Permission to start engines.

 

3) I thought happy did a great job as GCI and his communication was very clear. He must have been a busy guy!! Even with the god view I do hope a human GCI stays as without that I assume there is even more chaos...:) I did get confused when happy asked group one to hold at the mountains, but then our lead just kept flying on. Maybe there was a comms issue.

 

Anyhow, please take my comments from the perspective of someone doing their first red flag. And I would be super keen to particiapte again just as it is now. Absolutely fantastic hearing all the accents of folks from around the world, amazing time we live in where we have the technology to do this.

 

Cheers

Andrew (wandy)

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There's more brevity and coordination between randoms in 2 mins of blue flag then the 2hr twitch broadcast I put on when I went to bed last night.

 

I expected way more from something like this.

 

It was like the general chat room of aerobatics online during peak hours.

 

 

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