Normandy Map Discussion

We don't know if Ugra developed the Syria map with 'lessons learned' from Normandy and have vastly improved on what they were able to achieve in terms of optimization for it. Personally, I will get Syria as soon as it's available due to the interesting theater of war, giving them the benefit of doubt that they have improved as map developers compared to what they have achieved with Normandy...

I would assume that they have made great improvements based on lessons learned and it will incorporate all of the improvements ED has made to the engine. It is a fantastic theater with great potential and I would really love to fly on this map.

Unfortunately it is the proven track record of no customer support that will keep me from purchasing the map until they make some attempt to prove that they will be responsive. The map may be the best one available but what happens as ED introduce technological improvements? Will UGRA update the map to incorporate those improvements? Their track record so far and their silence on the official forums says no and ED has repeatedly stated that it is not their responsibility and it is up to the third party to make updates to their product.

I live in dread of finding out that when ED introduce Vulkan that the Normandy map will be broken and will not be fixed.

I know many of you are frustrated but just hang on a little bit longer, might be some news coming on this.

Intriguing. Fingers crossed!

I would assume that they have made great improvements based on lessons learned and it will incorporate all of the improvements ED has made to the engine. It is a fantastic theater with great potential and I would really love to fly on this map.

 

Unfortunately it is the proven track record of no customer support that will keep me from purchasing the map until they make some attempt to prove that they will be responsive. The map may be the best one available but what happens as ED introduce technological improvements? Will UGRA update the map to incorporate those improvements? Their track record so far and their silence on the official forums says no and ED has repeatedly stated that it is not their responsibility and it is up to the third party to make updates to their product.

 

I live in dread of finding out that when ED introduce Vulkan that the Normandy map will be broken and will not be fixed.

I'm sorry to say this is another example of what happens when ED don't have sufficient control of its 3rd parties, as with the Hawk. Hopefuly this will have a better outcome. We know ED have changed their approach for the future and perhaps UGRA will respond better to that. (I didn't even know it was a 3rd party item)

There is news of updates to the map out today on Facebook! Very welcome indeed. Hope to hear more about rough timescales at some point.

Sounds good! :)

Quick question:

This free Normandy map will include the following:

I'm guessing that lacked the word "This free Normandy map update will include..."?

• Optimization and improved the look of the trees and forests.

Does that mean Speedtree?

What about the other question Yurgon asked - about SpeedTree.

Thanks.

Good to hear that Urgra is aiming to match the ED quality standard then - thanks. :)

That’s excellent news!

Guess I’ll be putting Syria back on the shopping trolley

That’s excellent news!

Guess I’ll be putting Syria back on the shopping trolley

I thought the exact same thing. :thumbup:

great news about the updates... many people on fb thought it would become a free map, too many times the "free" word:megalol:

Great news especially about the various performance updates!

I would have been too tempted to skip the Syria map anyway, but this makes the decision a lot easier :)

Good to hear that this is going to be updated for certain now. Looking forward to the update.

NineLine, thank you for the fantastic news. The rumors that Ugra had no plans to work on Normandy until after Syria release were deeply troubling and I'm sure I'm not the only one who feels a massive sense of relief to hear they are actively working on it. I actually feel borderline elated after reading your post. =)

I don’t have the normandy map or any wwii ac. If I buy the map, can I fly the a-10 or any modern ac on it?

I don’t have the normandy map or any wwii ac. If I buy the map, can I fly the a-10 or any modern ac on it?

Yes, you can fly any aircraft on any map.

Theoretically you can, but you would need to fly instant action or create your own missions. I am not sure if the a-10 can use the airfields on this map.

Theoretically you can, but you would need to fly instant action or create your own missions. I am not sure if the a-10 can use the airfields on this map.

Not really any different in that respect to some other modules, and yes, the A-10 can use the airfields in Normandy. (I haven't tried them all, but certainly the ones I have tried are OK).

I don’t have the normandy map or any wwii ac. If I buy the map, can I fly the a-10 or any modern ac on it?

Yes, but just be aware that many WWII airfields are short and rough by modern jet standards.

There are only three paved airfields on the map: Evreux, Carpiquet and Tangmere (each of which has a maximum runway length of 1650 metres).

That said, we have flown the Hornet, C-101, Harrier, A-10C and Viggen on this map a few times, although we have gone back to Caucusus due to the performance problems.

There are only three paved airfields on the map: Evreux, Carpiquet and Tangmere

Good point!

In addition, there are absolutely no modern nav-aids available on the Normandy map. So even with a mission date so to the modern age (say, 2019), there are no TACAN, ILS, RSBN, NDB, VOR stations or anything of that kind. The map was built to reflect 1944 or 1945, after all.

Still, I think it's a beautiful map, and when I fly the A-10C there (which is very occasionally), I tend to enjoy it quite a bit.

By now, there are also a few instant action missions for many modules, so that there is indeed a fair bit of content available out of the box. However, I would not expect any major modern jet campaigns ever taking place there; jet pilots don't necessarily have the map, and the map doesn't support them all that well, so I guess it's rather unlikely to ever see something like The Enemy Within on Normandy. Then again, you never know what strange ideas campaign authors come up with when they have too much spare time on their hands... :music_whistling:

Well, with just a rudimentary knowledge of how the Mission Editor works you can stick an Aircraft Carrier or LHD in the channel for the Hornet and Harrier folks, also if you MUST have modern navigation put Tankers with TACANS over important airfields on short racetracks.