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Old 07-02-2020, 06:21 AM   #1
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Default AV8B Harrier 2 weapons missing

According to the USMC the Harries can operate the AGM-88 and AGM-84, they also can use a older missile the AGM-119 "Penguin".

They would be of easy implementation since they are already in game with the exception of the AGM-119.

The link below refers to the official USMC AV-8B HarrierII manual:

https://www.marines.mil/News/Publica...-350051c-wch1/

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AGM-88

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Nordeen, Lon O. (2006). Harrier II, Validating V/STOL. Annapolis, Maryland: Naval Institute Press. ISBN 1-59114-536-8.

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Wilson, Stewart (2000). BAe / McDonnell Douglas Harrier. Shrewsbury, UK: Airlife Publishing. ISBN 1-84037-218-4.

Could not find the AGM-119 "Penguin" reference but I remember I had it in a book. Harrier does have ASM capability

Harrier have the capability of firing a weapon does not mean it has been used.

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Old 07-02-2020, 07:08 AM   #2
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Does it refer which variant is capable of carrying them?
The 'plus' or the 'N/A'
I can't find any pictures of it carrying any of those three.

Would ne nice to have them on the jet.
But I am not that super-restrictive-guy anyway.
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Old 07-02-2020, 07:41 AM   #3
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The plus version can carry the AGM-88 and pretty much has the same radar as the F-18. However the N/A version has the ability to carry AGM-84 and the AGM-119.

Harrier can even deploy JSOWs and the plus version can use AIM-120s.

It is hard to find material but some forces apply the AGM-119 as Anti ship weapon.
example:
Royal Australian Navy
https://themarshall.fandom.com/wiki/..._Fleet_Air_Arm
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Old 07-02-2020, 09:18 AM   #4
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Please check your sources.



1. The USMC source you refer to says nothing about the AV-8B carrying any of these weapons. AGM-88 is mentioned once in the document, and that's in the table describing firing range requirements.
2. Regarding link #2: I don't know what kind of fantasy land the author of that article lives in, but it is pure imagination. The RAN has never operated any type of Harrier.
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Old 07-02-2020, 09:30 AM   #5
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The plus version can carry the AGM-88 and pretty much has the same radar as the F-18. However the N/A version has the ability to carry AGM-84 and the AGM-119.

Harrier can even deploy JSOWs and the plus version can use AIM-120s.

It is hard to find material but some forces apply the AGM-119 as Anti ship weapon.
example:
Royal Australian Navy
https://themarshall.fandom.com/wiki/..._Fleet_Air_Arm
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Old 07-02-2020, 09:37 AM   #7
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According to the USMC the Harries can operate the AGM-88 and AGM-84, they also can use a older missile the AGM-119 "Penguin".

They would be of easy implementation since they are already in game with the exception of the AGM-119.

The link below refers to the official USMC AV-8B HarrierII manual:

https://www.marines.mil/News/Publica...-350051c-wch1/
Maybe I'm blind but where does it say anything about the AGM-84 or AGM-119 in this document?

The AGM-88 is just being mentioned as an example for an ARM missile in the appendix that lists different categories of live fire shooting ranges and which type of weapon can be used on what type of range (page B-4). It doesn't say anywhere that it is a weapon in use with the Harrier. By that logic the Harrier would also be capable of launching Hellfires and TOWs as they are mentioned there in the same regard...
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Old 07-02-2020, 02:35 PM   #8
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Pappachuck, UK Sea Harriers are not USMC Harrier II NAs. What capabilities they had, didn't have, or were tested with, is irrelevant. Likewise with a Harrier II Plus. A distinction must be made as the capabilities vary quite a lot. Another relevant point is 'year model' or software package. An initial Harrier II NA is likely to have different capabilities compared one with more modern upgrades.

I have not looked up your sources yet, just rules of thumb to keep in mind. ''Harrier II'' covers a very wiiiide range, and not every source is applicable to all Harriers, even if it IS applicable to one.
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Yeah OP totally pooched it. USMC harriers don't use the AGM-88, and AFAIK the US military never used the penguin.
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Old 07-03-2020, 03:30 AM   #10
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AFAIK the US military never used the penguin.
The US Navy did. I don't know if it's still in service.

https://www.navy.mil/navydata/fact_d...0&tid=600&ct=2

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