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Old 09-16-2020, 01:15 PM   #41
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https://youtu.be/CnqV69es0bo?t=1140 about the F18

Like True Grit have said, they'll do their best to get it as accurate as possible, engineering it from the data they can get and airshow performance/public sims and so on, and then use their large experience with the real thing to get it to feel right.
Just wait and see, its a while out anyways, once you gotta put some money down, I'm sure we'll know much more about the flight model.

Thanks for sharing that video with the interview with Wags. Sounds very similar to what we can expect with TrueGrit's approach on Typhoon's FM, imho.
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Old 09-16-2020, 01:23 PM   #42
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Do you have written evidence from ED of what you claim?...
I don't know if it is also written down in this forum but Wags(ED) himself told so in one of the (Fighter Pilot Podcast?) interviews he did. So yeah, it is officially admitted that parts of FM/systems/wepaons are altered from RL performance/capabilitys.

Edit: hah, Etirion has it even with a timestamp
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Old 09-16-2020, 03:30 PM   #43
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If this is the case, this module should no longer be considered as a study level sim, and consequently, in addition to reporting the fact, a lower price should be applied.
Welcome in the real world... all the weapons envelopes, ranges and data, radar function and data, ECM stuff, flight models, target pods and so on are not the real ones. They are an interpretation from the developer how it could be as close as possible or allowed. Some do a very optimistic interpretation, others more conservative.
But nothing on all that stuff ist 1:1 the real thing. Maybe on old aircraft ike the P-51 or MiG-15.. but when you came into the ares from 1990 and newer mostly all the stuff is classified.
If you talk to RL pilots to data like this and they are honest, you will not get an answer. Or they will tell sou somethign you want to hear. But you will never get the real informatiosn of HARMs, AIM-120C-7 ranges and modes and so on..
It will be a computer sim, as close as legally possible. Sometimes better than the real world, sometimes less. Just because fore example, TrueGrit know how something works or which ranges it has does not mean that they will have it exact the real way in the finished module.

But who cares, you never can check it or say if this is right or not That is always to be kept in mind...
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Knowing that F-16 doesn't have a good nose authority, i'm a bit surprised the Typhoon has even less. Compared to Rafale or Hornet it's not surprising, but compared to F-16 i was not expecting it



I guess you're talking about 1.0G acceleration right ? I guess that in BFM you can bleed energy quickly (and decelerate) if required due the delta wing ?

1. No, the Typhoon is more limited than the F16
2. Well, if you put enough Gz on it you can, but not very well. And yes, you can go up to +9.5G if you fly without tanks...
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Old 09-16-2020, 04:43 PM   #45
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Do you have written evidence from ED of what you claim?
Yes: https://youtu.be/CnqV69es0bo?t=1050
Sorry to shatter your dreams. I too wish DCS would be 100% accurate (maybe except the dying part). It's not possible unfortunately.
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Old 09-16-2020, 04:58 PM   #46
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Hey guys - let me says some words to my person:

I am -TITS- and flew the Typhoon for a about 10 years in real-life together with Gero in the famous Jagdgeschwader Richthofen. I am now Lead Testpilot for TrueGrit and I will compare the Questions against a clean F-16

1.) Higher
2.) Higher
3.) Way higher
4.) Way better
5.) Less, due to the FCS limiting the AOA.
6.) Clean F-16 vs. Eurofighter with 2 Tanks (I won)
7.) You can go a bit over 9.0Gz if you are clean, around 0.3Gz.

One other experience: The Typhoon does not decelerate as well as other aircraft because it is built so slick...and the engines have so much thrust - even in idle...
Hi -TITS-,

Thank you very much for that quick run down!

Regarding question #5, the F-16 is limited to around 25 deg AoA, so not much:



I've read the Eurofighter is limited to 24 deg AoA, so less but only by a little bit. Is that right?

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Old 09-16-2020, 05:04 PM   #47
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2. Well, if you put enough Gz on it you can, but not very well. And yes, you can go up to +9.5G if you fly without tanks...
Only instantaneous or also sustained?
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Hi Phant!

You are absolutely right. There is no difference that you really could make out. Obviously the RDR was very different since it was the APG-65 then. The HUD indication was in comparison to modern HUD pretty useless. All the RDR work was done as you guessed correctly by the WSO. Weapon employment though was done by the pilot.
The F-4F ICE was still a very "manual / raw data" aircraft. All necessary calculations had to be performed in your head. Conequently crew coordination was a big thing.

Cheers!
Thanks for your feedback Gero!!


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1. No, the Typhoon is more limited than the F16

2. Well, if you put enough Gz on it you can, but not very well. And yes, you can go up to +9.5G if you fly without tanks...


Well so the limited AOA should not be a big issue if the Typhoon pilot manages to avoid slow flight?Then having a good speed sustainment seems an advantage to me in this aspect as if both planes are at very slow speed (for example vs an Hornet) in a guns-only situation (no iris-t and no aim-9x) the Typhoon could have serious troubles...did i get the picture?


Ps thanks Tits for your time...
The Typhoon is my dream plane from when i was a child...so it is very nice to have the possibility to interact with real pilots.
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Well so the limited AOA should not be a big issue if the Typhoon pilot manages to avoid slow flight?Then having a good speed sustainment seems an advantage to me in this aspect as if both planes are at very slow speed (for example vs an Hornet) in a guns-only situation (no iris-t and no aim-9x) the Typhoon could have serious troubles...did i get the picture?


Ps thanks Tits for your time...
The Typhoon is my dream plane from when i was a child...so it is very nice to have the possibility to interact with real pilots.
Typhoon pilot mentioned in the fighter pilot podcast, that if he get too slow, he could just put the AB and go vertical to dive back behind the enemy, something the hornet can't do, so he mentioned it's not really an issue.
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